who is "we" and "who" is acting like that? I dont know any F9 pilots who view allegiant as the primary peer group. Obviously the company wants spirit and allegiant to be the pilots' "peer group," but saying your pilot group/union needs to "act" like SW is the primary peer group based on a brand new leak/rumor about southwest's contract that emerged in the past few days is pretty silly.

who exactly are you griping against here?

not to mention that southwest is a lcc that offers beverages and bags for free, and is in a different segment of the market than ULCC

 

Spirit won’t exist soon and alligiant is a travel Company. People need to go read the snap up language right under the pay rate table in the proposal. That’s the peer group. It’s defined. You’ll notice ups and fedex are not there either.

 

ACN is about as reliable as BL and BB.

Our PEER groups are those who do the same job we do.... SWA. AA. DAL. UA. AS. NK. JB. etc. Flying an A321NEO with 240 people in the back is the same as if I was flying an A321NEO with 200 in the back at another carrier. I want to be compensated properly and I am sure everyone else does as well. Just because we are ultra low cost to the customer doesn't mean the pilots or planes are any worse than what people ride on at other carriers. It means we run lean on other things like agents, rampers, wands, headsets, tugs, tow bars, call centers, and crew schedulers.

 

Well… the good news is apparently we aren’t going to have to wait too long to find out. They have an agreement.

 

are you for real with this post? Every time I turn around all I hear is how we are second rate, lower tier, ULCC pilots who will never get legacy rates or benefits. And people actually seem like they believe it.

if you make one post on this forum how we should be paid like Delta, the first thing everyone says is if you wanna be paid like delta, then you need to go to delta.


I say again. Are you for real with this post?

 

I agree. I wasn't saying otherwise. That's why I said "I dont know any F9 pilots who view allegiant as the primary peer group."

I don't think either of those companies are relevant contract references in the current environment.


Did you read my post? Where in my post did I say F9 pilots are second-rate and deserve lesser compensation? Where in my post did I say ULCC pilots deserve lesser benefits? Where in my post did I say "go to Delta"?

Or are you just mad because I called out your imprecise language that resulted in a nonsensical post?

You said
You can't bring up the SW business model as a reason for why they should be primarily considered, and then reject my observation that F9 is a different business model than SW because it means settling for a lesser tier. You're effectively saying "we are just like Southwest," and then rebutting my point by saying "our differences from Southwest don't matter because we fly comparable equipment."

Pick a lane dude. Glad you're not a negotiator, because you're unable to stay rhetorically consistent.

Feel free to re-read my post, because your reading comprehension is a little bit concerning. Maybe read it a third time before you respond. Please, quote it and let me know.

You said:

I'm just clarifying who the "we" is you're griping at? I don't know ANY F9 pilots who agree that Allegiant is a relevant reference point.

Who is the "we" that you are saying needs to "act" like SW is the peer group? Are you mad at the union? Mad at the pilot group? Your language is objectively vague, and your post is utterly nonsensical.

The fact is we most likely agree on the sentiment. I'm just questioning why you are annoyed at the union/pilot group for not "acting like" they deserve a literally just announced/rumored and unconfirmed SW contract? You didn't really make any intelligible point.

If you said, "hey, this should be our target," then great, I hope you guys achieve that. That's not what you said though.

I hope F9 pilots can achieve a contract akin to the rumored Southwest contract.

 

Just got a reference point;

It took Southwest just shy of 4 years to negotiate the AIP they just annonced.

 

they were not able to negotiate for two of those year. No labor agreements could be negotiated while accepting government bailout funds.

 

Ahhh yes, I'd forgotten about Covid. Seems like it's been a while since the Uncle Sam Bucks died up but I don't know when that was. Good point though, thanks

 

so two years then? for SWAPA ? in-house union

what is the "ALPA carrier" timeline average ? if we remove COVID related issues ?

now, add in the Barry Factor

that gives us what? three years ?