The official civil SLI thread NK+F9
12-24-2025 | 09:16 AM
#92
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Regardless of F9 solo or F9+NK, there's still a profitability problem. Either the model needs to change or the implementation of the current needs to be tweaked.
Who's doing that?
12-24-2025 | 09:22 AM
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I’m not sure if you noticed but we just got a new CEO. If past performance is any indicator it’s not hard to see why. I would say they are responsible for doing that.
12-24-2025 | 09:25 AM
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And our union bought the smoke and mirrors story...we should've scheduled an "emergency" picket for the next day after the meeting. It's still Indigo we/re dealing with - even moreso now that BB is gone. Why we keep thinking they are ever gonna all of the sudden be different is beyond me.
12-24-2025 | 09:40 AM
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Noticed that he's the interim. AND, he's someone's who been around for a while. Why TF would it take him 30 days to "come up w/ a plan?" BB got fired without a plan of what to do without him? Really?
And our union bought the smoke and mirrors story...we should've scheduled an "emergency" picket for the next day after the meeting. It's still Indigo we/re dealing with - even moreso now that BB is gone. Why we keep thinking they are ever gonna all of the sudden be different is beyond me.
And our union bought the smoke and mirrors story...we should've scheduled an "emergency" picket for the next day after the meeting. It's still Indigo we/re dealing with - even moreso now that BB is gone. Why we keep thinking they are ever gonna all of the sudden be different is beyond me.
Giving him time he asked for is fine, I am sure he wasn't expecting it, given the tone of the email about BB.
Union gives him 30 days, we should have had our picket rescheduled for the day after and nother in Feb.
We just gave away a picket that WE took off for and planned. Now we have no picket and we also lost meetings for mediation. But yeah, I guess it is just status quo with no plans to organize more pickets until we hear from JD, which THEN we can plan another picket 3 months from then.
12-24-2025 | 10:10 AM
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In JD's defense, he is interim, the email regarding BB leaving came across as he was fired. During the holidays, basically no one is working, even if he wanted to have a plan faster, no one would be in the office to work on it. It is basically a corporate 2 week vacation.
Giving him time he asked for is fine, I am sure he wasn't expecting it, given the tone of the email about BB.
Union gives him 30 days, we should have had our picket rescheduled for the day after and nother in Feb.
We just gave away a picket that WE took off for and planned. Now we have no picket and we also lost meetings for mediation. But yeah, I guess it is just status quo with no plans to organize more pickets until we hear from JD, which THEN we can plan another picket 3 months from then.
Giving him time he asked for is fine, I am sure he wasn't expecting it, given the tone of the email about BB.
Union gives him 30 days, we should have had our picket rescheduled for the day after and nother in Feb.
We just gave away a picket that WE took off for and planned. Now we have no picket and we also lost meetings for mediation. But yeah, I guess it is just status quo with no plans to organize more pickets until we hear from JD, which THEN we can plan another picket 3 months from then.
12-24-2025 | 10:38 AM
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12-24-2025 | 10:39 AM
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I think the difference is that there is one less ULCC to compete with. To add NK to the mix brings on the same number of ULCC seats and a debt mess that F9 takes on with very slim margins. For F9 to stay away from NK allows F9 to grow at a much more measured rate with less competition and debt. It enables F9 to get their finances in order and become steadily profitable. The legacies have hurt the ULCC model with basic economy. My guess is that F9 will walk away from NK because they can do better without them.
12-24-2025 | 10:51 AM
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I think the difference is that there is one less ULCC to compete with. To add NK to the mix brings on the same number of ULCC seats and a debt mess that F9 takes on with very slim margins. For F9 to stay away from NK allows F9 to grow at a much more measured rate with less competition and debt. It enables F9 to get their finances in order and become steadily profitable. The legacies have hurt the ULCC model with basic economy. My guess is that F9 will walk away from NK because they can do better without them.
12-24-2025 | 11:31 AM
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In JD's defense, he is interim, the email regarding BB leaving came across as he was fired. During the holidays, basically no one is working, even if he wanted to have a plan faster, no one would be in the office to work on it. It is basically a corporate 2 week vacation.
Ops continues - why can't the Csuite?
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