The official civil SLI thread NK+F9
12-19-2025 | 08:55 AM
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12-19-2025 | 10:40 AM
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That only makes sense if you look at the bottom of the seniority lists. When you consider the top side of the seniority lists, "relative seniority" gives the Frontier pilots a huge disadvantage and a windfall for the Spirit pilots. Remember post 9/11, Frontier was growing like a weed while Spirit was a stagnant junket airline. Indigo Partners bought Spirit and started growing them like a weed just prior to Frontier's BK, which created a 4 year pause on hiring at F9. The projected "relative seniority list" during the first merger attempt put Spirit pilots ahead of some Frontier pilots who were hired up to 10 years earlier than the relative Spirit pilots. Not fair...and especially now. We'll see.
12-19-2025 | 12:31 PM
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The schoolhouse doesn’t have an “official word”. There is this false belief that the training department is privy to strategic intel. They aren’t. Hiring plans are shared to help them anticipate training needs but those change semi-weekly. Nobody is sharing corporate strategy and anybody that did would likely be in breach of an NDA.
12-19-2025 | 02:44 PM
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The schoolhouse doesn’t have an “official word”. There is this false belief that the training department is privy to strategic intel. They aren’t. Hiring plans are shared to help them anticipate training needs but those change semi-weekly. Nobody is sharing corporate strategy and anybody that did would likely be in breach of an NDA.
Privy the morning of, or the day before, everyone else finds out the big news. Not really sure how privy that is.
12-19-2025 | 03:31 PM
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Not in ALPA merger policy. Furloughees get credit for their longevity. So if a pilot had 4 years of service, they get 4 years of seniority credit as of the time of the merger. They just stop accruing it while on furlough.
12-19-2025 | 03:55 PM
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Merger is not happening…. And F9 attrition ain’t that high.
the clarity in 30 days is Spirit liquidating.
12-19-2025 | 06:53 PM
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It seems that Frontier would not be hiring and growing if indeed it was going to acquire Spirit. It looks like they are trying to capture their market share organically which signals they have decided against a merger.
12-20-2025 | 01:32 AM
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I'm not disagreeing with you about merger not happening et.al. but just pointing out that ALPA policy for two NB airlines is basically some combination of S&C and longevity. The timing of when one airline is hiring and when another airline is furloughing is not as important as you think. Arbitrators aren't going to decide on a career's worth of seniority just based on what was happening at the snapshot of whenever the merger happened to close.
It seems that Frontier would not be hiring and growing if indeed it was going to acquire Spirit. It looks like they are trying to capture their market share organically which signals they have decided against a merger.
It seems that Frontier would not be hiring and growing if indeed it was going to acquire Spirit. It looks like they are trying to capture their market share organically which signals they have decided against a merger.
12-20-2025 | 02:24 AM
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I see what you’re saying here but the lists wouldn’t merge for some time. Considering deliveries of new aircraft at F9 and high attrition and even cancellations of the latest furloughs at Spirit it seems logical that they would hire at Frontier for a bit. NK and F9 need to keep their airlines running separately until a merge. IF it even happens.
At this rate it’s a good chance NK may have to recall or even hire by then with the current over 100+ a month leaving
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