ERJdude

So what happens to those hired during this latest window from Frontier? I'd assume that they wouldn't just hire without thinking this dilemma through.

DHC2floater

Probably too hard to replace them at RAH if they put them on the F9 cert.

RockyMntAV8R

I don't know. You would think the company would consult with their counsel before hiring ouside of the arbitration ruling and perhaps they have. This is just my opinion on this matter. There is no doubt we will have some baggage to deal with If and/or when the seperation is complete.

pipe

Negative.

RJ's are a plague. They are miserable for passengers and they ruin pilot careers. Indefensible. No two ways about it.

PIPE

Bulldog319

The last time F9 filled open positions. The ones that maintained IMSL seniority were the furloughs. There are no longer any furloughs as everyone has had a chance to return to one of the four companies.

These open positions are first officer positions and, from what I understand of the Chatauqua CBA, none of the first officers at the other 3 airlines are allowed by their CBA to voluntarily switch certificates. The captains at the other 3 airlines are unable to bid first officer positions again. Any captain positions that come as a result of this hiring are still fenced.

There is not yet an amalgamated contract or transition agreement.

If I am wrong, please correct me with references to where this is allowed in the Chautauqua CBA. I would very much like to have the information.

gasnhaul

Actually I'm seeing a really weird trend. You have TPIC...that seems to be a hinderance rather than a help nowadays. Sure wish I would have known several years ago that having PIC time seems to be a bad thing. If you look at the threads of airlines that are hiring and then see who is getting the calls a LOT of the folks are FOs with ZERO TPIC. "Back in the day" (not sure what day specifically so don't ask) all I was told was get heavy, international PIC time and you can write your own ticket. Well that's what I did and it seemed to make sense. Could have gone to any commuter and flown with them but thought that would be a career killer. So, now here I am watching guys with similar total times or less (or much less) and no PIC getting calls while I just sit and stare at my phone. Not saying I'm any better of a pilot or anything like that (and if you ask anyone that's flown with me they can verify that) but usually when you look at an applicant, those with the most checked boxes usually win...or so I thought. It's just frustrating to me that it seems nowadays those guys with TPIC are determined to be less desiable to hire for some reason.

TillerEnvy

An arbitration decision regarding an IMSL between separate lists sets the law for vacancies. Eischen made that ruling and it's pretty clear.

TheGeneralMcC

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Vegaspilot

I know someone who was called for an interview. While they do have some TPIC, they were also ex-Lynx, so I don't know if that may have helped.

RockyMntAV8R

Bulldog, I don't know if you are right or wrong, this is a gigantic mess with the potential to get even messier. I agree that the ones who maintained seniority were the furloughed Midwest guys. But there were RAH pilots that were allowed to resign their seniorty rights and hire into the airbus at F9 that were not on furlough, if I remember correctly. The RAH FOs that were not on furlough did not voluntairly swith certificates as they resigned seniority rights at RAH and started over at F9 (on the bottom of the list). I agree that any Captain positions that may become available are protected by the 7 year fence.