Frontier Hiring.
03-31-2015 | 01:57 PM
#2191
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crf, messaging with you the little that I did prior to your interview, I learned something about you ( I think ) ...And this is not meant to call you out in anyway, in fact I believe it accounts to a large degree why you did well in the interview and didn't get hung up with nerves etc, and allowed them to see the real you. Here it is...
You weren't 100 percent certain about Frontier. Actually that is an intelligent position to have. Until you 'interview' them, how can you be 100 percent certain? Most of us forget that the interview process is a two-way street. You probably went in there relaxed thinking, look, if this place is a good fit for me and I get the job then great, if not, no big deal, probably meant to be, I'll move on. That is a strong and freeing position to be in. You essentially cannot lose, therefore you're at your best. (sorry correct me if I am wrong - I just got that impression, and I respected it.)
Believe it or not, much of what Lori does it to build a confidence similar to this. This demeanor may come naturally to you and others, but possibly not to me, or others. She helps you with strategies to get past yourself so the interviewers can get what they need from you so THEY can make a good decision for Frontier.
I've flown with 2 different people on the interview panel, and they both told me that they often get guys/gals they know for certain are great people. They are rooting for them the whole day and want to hire them so badly, but the person just keeps sabotaging themselves because of nerves. I'd bet my paycheck that they don't care if you've prepped or not. They get so tired of having their time wasted. If Lori helps grease the wheels so you can give them a real representation of who you really are, they're happy. Lori does not teach you to be fake in the slightest way.
You weren't 100 percent certain about Frontier. Actually that is an intelligent position to have. Until you 'interview' them, how can you be 100 percent certain? Most of us forget that the interview process is a two-way street. You probably went in there relaxed thinking, look, if this place is a good fit for me and I get the job then great, if not, no big deal, probably meant to be, I'll move on. That is a strong and freeing position to be in. You essentially cannot lose, therefore you're at your best. (sorry correct me if I am wrong - I just got that impression, and I respected it.)
Believe it or not, much of what Lori does it to build a confidence similar to this. This demeanor may come naturally to you and others, but possibly not to me, or others. She helps you with strategies to get past yourself so the interviewers can get what they need from you so THEY can make a good decision for Frontier.
I've flown with 2 different people on the interview panel, and they both told me that they often get guys/gals they know for certain are great people. They are rooting for them the whole day and want to hire them so badly, but the person just keeps sabotaging themselves because of nerves. I'd bet my paycheck that they don't care if you've prepped or not. They get so tired of having their time wasted. If Lori helps grease the wheels so you can give them a real representation of who you really are, they're happy. Lori does not teach you to be fake in the slightest way.
03-31-2015 | 02:06 PM
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I've seen some people that I thought would never get passed a major interview board get hired because of those paid preps. You can also do the poor man version which is just to record yourself answering a list of interview questions to see how stupid you sound and then correct it.
03-31-2015 | 02:46 PM
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You're incredibly accurate here, and no worries on bringing this up. Also, I'm not saying people shouldn't do any prep. It may be of benefit to many people, but it may not be necessary for others. People need to know what it is F9 is looking for and understand what the prep will or will not do for them.
03-31-2015 | 05:06 PM
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It's an individual choice one has to make if they decide to pursue interview prep. I'd be willing to bet the majority of pilots that have used a successful prep company will tell you that it was more than what they originally thought it would be.
Interview prep is more that just a few hours of asking and answering TMAAT and WWYD type questions. At least with us and our clients it is. It's about telling your story and letting it be heard. You only have a few hours to highlight why "you" are the right guy/gal for the job. We all have different stories and experiences, but telling your story under various circumstances is a challenge for some. Even the best of the best pilots can be humbled at what they learn from experiencing professional interview prep.
I wish pilots who haven't attended professional interview prep could sit in on some sessions and see what goes on. Every company is different in how they conduct their prep. But having consultants who have been recruiters, sat on interview panels/hiring boards and listened to hundreds of pilots a year come in and tell their story, it's an incredibly unique experience. Now, we can be of help to those incoming pilots who are interviewing at XYZ airline and have never sat on the other side of the interview table. Many pilots are unaware of what goes on "behind the scenes".
Many pilots also fear the situational based questions or the WWYD scenarios, but you'd be amazed at how many times over the years I've sat in horror listening to a client try and explain the simplest of the simple; like Why Frontier?
Hope this helps a bit and good luck to the Frontier candidates. Lots of hiring to be done this year. One of the best pilot groups in the industry that future candidates will be joining. It's always a pleasure prepping Frontier candidates.
Centerline Interview Consulting
Interview prep is more that just a few hours of asking and answering TMAAT and WWYD type questions. At least with us and our clients it is. It's about telling your story and letting it be heard. You only have a few hours to highlight why "you" are the right guy/gal for the job. We all have different stories and experiences, but telling your story under various circumstances is a challenge for some. Even the best of the best pilots can be humbled at what they learn from experiencing professional interview prep.
I wish pilots who haven't attended professional interview prep could sit in on some sessions and see what goes on. Every company is different in how they conduct their prep. But having consultants who have been recruiters, sat on interview panels/hiring boards and listened to hundreds of pilots a year come in and tell their story, it's an incredibly unique experience. Now, we can be of help to those incoming pilots who are interviewing at XYZ airline and have never sat on the other side of the interview table. Many pilots are unaware of what goes on "behind the scenes".
Many pilots also fear the situational based questions or the WWYD scenarios, but you'd be amazed at how many times over the years I've sat in horror listening to a client try and explain the simplest of the simple; like Why Frontier?
Hope this helps a bit and good luck to the Frontier candidates. Lots of hiring to be done this year. One of the best pilot groups in the industry that future candidates will be joining. It's always a pleasure prepping Frontier candidates.
Centerline Interview Consulting
03-31-2015 | 07:51 PM
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It's an individual choice one has to make if they decide to pursue interview prep. I'd be willing to bet the majority of pilots that have used a successful prep company will tell you that it was more than what they originally thought it would be.
Interview prep is more that just a few hours of asking and answering TMAAT and WWYD type questions. At least with us and our clients it is. It's about telling your story and letting it be heard. You only have a few hours to highlight why "you" are the right guy/gal for the job. We all have different stories and experiences, but telling your story under various circumstances is a challenge for some. Even the best of the best pilots can be humbled at what they learn from experiencing professional interview prep.
I wish pilots who haven't attended professional interview prep could sit in on some sessions and see what goes on. Every company is different in how they conduct their prep. But having consultants who have been recruiters, sat on interview panels/hiring boards and listened to hundreds of pilots a year come in and tell their story, it's an incredibly unique experience. Now, we can be of help to those incoming pilots who are interviewing at XYZ airline and have never sat on the other side of the interview table. Many pilots are unaware of what goes on "behind the scenes".
Many pilots also fear the situational based questions or the WWYD scenarios, but you'd be amazed at how many times over the years I've sat in horror listening to a client try and explain the simplest of the simple; like Why Frontier?
Hope this helps a bit and good luck to the Frontier candidates. Lots of hiring to be done this year. One of the best pilot groups in the industry that future candidates will be joining. It's always a pleasure prepping Frontier candidates.
Centerline Interview Consulting
Interview prep is more that just a few hours of asking and answering TMAAT and WWYD type questions. At least with us and our clients it is. It's about telling your story and letting it be heard. You only have a few hours to highlight why "you" are the right guy/gal for the job. We all have different stories and experiences, but telling your story under various circumstances is a challenge for some. Even the best of the best pilots can be humbled at what they learn from experiencing professional interview prep.
I wish pilots who haven't attended professional interview prep could sit in on some sessions and see what goes on. Every company is different in how they conduct their prep. But having consultants who have been recruiters, sat on interview panels/hiring boards and listened to hundreds of pilots a year come in and tell their story, it's an incredibly unique experience. Now, we can be of help to those incoming pilots who are interviewing at XYZ airline and have never sat on the other side of the interview table. Many pilots are unaware of what goes on "behind the scenes".
Many pilots also fear the situational based questions or the WWYD scenarios, but you'd be amazed at how many times over the years I've sat in horror listening to a client try and explain the simplest of the simple; like Why Frontier?
Hope this helps a bit and good luck to the Frontier candidates. Lots of hiring to be done this year. One of the best pilot groups in the industry that future candidates will be joining. It's always a pleasure prepping Frontier candidates.
Centerline Interview Consulting
Or you also prep for others like Delta, UAL, American, UPS, FedEx, etc?
Thank you in advance.
04-01-2015 | 02:42 AM
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04-01-2015 | 03:16 PM
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04-01-2015 | 04:09 PM
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OK - here's what I found out (the following is just my personal opinion, not intended to criticize anyone):
Cage Consulting - $500, two hours of prep, homework, 1-2 sessions additional prep (maybe?). In my opinion, Cage might have been good in the day with Cheryl Cage having an "in" at United, but seemed like generic prep. Multiple mis-spellings even on the website was a bit of a turnoff. Anal retentive, I know, but it's the little things...
Emerald Coast - $395, if I'm understanding their pricing correctly, 8-10 hours plus a 4-hour audio thingy. Four-hour audio, followed by group seminar stuff and individual touch-up type stuff if needed. Not sure how long they've been doing prep. I've heard good things about them, mostly military guys, but seemed generic as well, and I don't really want to "lectured to" in a group environment. Yuck. Just for me personally.
Kit Darby - $395, two hours. After his history of raping pilots for years with his job fairs and exorbitant prices, not inclined to give him another penny. And I'm not traveling to the Atlanta airport to do a face-to-face only to be charged an additional $100 for the face-to-face.
Aerocrew Solutions - $399 in person, $99/hour over the phone. In person is three hours. Seems like the new kid on the block, so experience comes to mind...I think he's a Delta pilot - not sure how he can help with Frontier.
Centerline - $399, one-on-one, not sure how much time they spend. Skype-type stuff is available. These folks sent me a very pleasant and thoughtful email, but I'm having a hard time understanding how they can prep Frontier applicants specifically with no apparent connection to Frontier. They said "Anything you've ever wanted to know about the Frontier process, we have." I would assume based on trip reports from people who have reported back to them after interviewing. Seem like nice people, but also pretty new and are trying hard to establish themselves (no crime in that, but I would prefer those with some experience teaching idiots like me how to not be bigger idiots). They seem like they have their hearts in the right place, but I question their experience level.
Clark Aviation Consulting - $439, 10-12 hours over two sessions, one-on-one, in person or online meeting space, free followups anytime before the interview. I actually caught Lori in her short lunch break (sorry, Lori, if you're here) and liked what I heard in our short conversation. No hard sell, to the point, she's been doing it for 11+years, and HATES canned answers. Everything she said made a ton of sense, and was very humble. I jumpseated on Frontier out of Miami two days ago, and the First Officer had used her, with nothing but great things to say about her program. He specifically had underestimated the benefit of going through any sort of prep beforehand, and claimed that talking with Lori "changed his whole perspective on flying and interviewing." Who knows. A little melodramatic, maybe, but kinda cool at the same time. I guess her husband flies for Frontier, and when I asked her about that, she stated that, in no uncertain terms, simply working at a particular company doesn't make you more qualified to teach someone else how to get the job there. She downplayed the fact that he worked there, but I can't imagine that she doesn't have some insight regarding the history there as well as what the culture is like. My roommate just scheduled with Lori for his Alaska Airlines prep, and apparently she has a 100% success rate with over 50 people prepped with Alaska, so she has to be doing something right. I forgot to ask about her success rate with Frontier since she ran out of time - the 100% at Alaska came from my roommate.
So, for my particular situation, I chose....
Clark Aviation Consulting!
Looking forward to the prep, and really looking forward to my interview with Frontier! I hope this long-winded post helps people out there trying to decided. The stuff above is just my opinion - take it for what it's worth.
Cage Consulting - $500, two hours of prep, homework, 1-2 sessions additional prep (maybe?). In my opinion, Cage might have been good in the day with Cheryl Cage having an "in" at United, but seemed like generic prep. Multiple mis-spellings even on the website was a bit of a turnoff. Anal retentive, I know, but it's the little things...
Emerald Coast - $395, if I'm understanding their pricing correctly, 8-10 hours plus a 4-hour audio thingy. Four-hour audio, followed by group seminar stuff and individual touch-up type stuff if needed. Not sure how long they've been doing prep. I've heard good things about them, mostly military guys, but seemed generic as well, and I don't really want to "lectured to" in a group environment. Yuck. Just for me personally.
Kit Darby - $395, two hours. After his history of raping pilots for years with his job fairs and exorbitant prices, not inclined to give him another penny. And I'm not traveling to the Atlanta airport to do a face-to-face only to be charged an additional $100 for the face-to-face.
Aerocrew Solutions - $399 in person, $99/hour over the phone. In person is three hours. Seems like the new kid on the block, so experience comes to mind...I think he's a Delta pilot - not sure how he can help with Frontier.
Centerline - $399, one-on-one, not sure how much time they spend. Skype-type stuff is available. These folks sent me a very pleasant and thoughtful email, but I'm having a hard time understanding how they can prep Frontier applicants specifically with no apparent connection to Frontier. They said "Anything you've ever wanted to know about the Frontier process, we have." I would assume based on trip reports from people who have reported back to them after interviewing. Seem like nice people, but also pretty new and are trying hard to establish themselves (no crime in that, but I would prefer those with some experience teaching idiots like me how to not be bigger idiots). They seem like they have their hearts in the right place, but I question their experience level.
Clark Aviation Consulting - $439, 10-12 hours over two sessions, one-on-one, in person or online meeting space, free followups anytime before the interview. I actually caught Lori in her short lunch break (sorry, Lori, if you're here) and liked what I heard in our short conversation. No hard sell, to the point, she's been doing it for 11+years, and HATES canned answers. Everything she said made a ton of sense, and was very humble. I jumpseated on Frontier out of Miami two days ago, and the First Officer had used her, with nothing but great things to say about her program. He specifically had underestimated the benefit of going through any sort of prep beforehand, and claimed that talking with Lori "changed his whole perspective on flying and interviewing." Who knows. A little melodramatic, maybe, but kinda cool at the same time. I guess her husband flies for Frontier, and when I asked her about that, she stated that, in no uncertain terms, simply working at a particular company doesn't make you more qualified to teach someone else how to get the job there. She downplayed the fact that he worked there, but I can't imagine that she doesn't have some insight regarding the history there as well as what the culture is like. My roommate just scheduled with Lori for his Alaska Airlines prep, and apparently she has a 100% success rate with over 50 people prepped with Alaska, so she has to be doing something right. I forgot to ask about her success rate with Frontier since she ran out of time - the 100% at Alaska came from my roommate.
So, for my particular situation, I chose....
Clark Aviation Consulting!
Looking forward to the prep, and really looking forward to my interview with Frontier! I hope this long-winded post helps people out there trying to decided. The stuff above is just my opinion - take it for what it's worth.
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