F9 Driver

You're probably right about crew movement Aero, but I'm waiting to see what kind of show management's spectacular execution on this plan brings.

And IDK if DEN plans are written in stone with the new "Airport City", and associated tax ratables, finally gaining traction with Aurora and Adams County - which could bring down the burden on the airlines' enplanement costs:

Deal reached to clear the way for DIA business development

Jun 3, 2015, 11:42am MDT Updated: Jun 3, 2015, 5:08pm MDT

Kathleen Lavine / Denver Business Journal
The DIA tents.



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Officials of Adams County and cities near Denver International Airport have agreed to a deal that would allow Denver to proceed with plans to develop non-aviation businesses on the airport grounds.
Denver has been at odds for years with neighboring communities over its ambitious "Airport City" development plans.
Wednesday, the Airport Coordinating Council (ACC), a committee made up of representatives from Adams County, Aurora and other communities near DIA, voted unanimously in favor of amending a 1988 agreement with the city of Denver that allowed Denver to annex the land for the airport and build it.
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• DIA20: Denver, neighboring communities debate 'Airport City'
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> Download terms of the new agreement here.

Now the issue will go to the Denver City Council and Adams County Commissioners for approval. Voters in Denver and Adams County also must give their OK, just as voters in the two jurisdictions approved the annexation of 53 square miles of Adams County into Denver in 1988.
For Denver, which previously had insisted it had the right to develop the airport grounds, the agreement means development can move forward without a cloud of uncertainty or the threat of litigation.
"I'm proud that we're here at this historic moment," said Denver Mayor Michael Hancock at a news conference immediately following Wednesday's vote.
"We acknowledge that we come together best as a region, and not as individual cities," he said.
Said Aurora Mayor Steve Hogan, as he was voting in favor of the agreement: "Anyone who suggests that metropolitan cooperation doesn't exist in this area anymore is flat-dead wrong. This is a perfect example of what we can and should do."
He urged Aurora voters who live in Adams County to vote yes on the agreement.
"This is the kind of agreement that can make the entire metropolitan area the success that it can be. We know we have the engine -- DIA is the engine -- now is the time to take advantage of it," Hogan said.
The agreement covers a total of 1,500 acres of airport land that's available for development out of DIA's total 9,400 acres.
It creates a pilot program on DIA to allow a "wider spectrum of commercial uses” than currently permitted under the 1988 agreement. The 1,500 acres isn't contiguous, but represents a total amount of land that can be developed under the deal.

The pilot program allows uses such as retail, office parks, warehouses, and manufacturing on the 1,500 acres — “even if they are not directly related to airport operations or aviation,” according to a statement issued after Wednesday's vote.
Adams County and Denver will “evenly split” tax revenues generated from the commercial uses on the 1,500 acres.
T he ACC members have created a formula to divvy up their portion of the revenues, with Adams County, Aurora and Commerce City each getting 27 percent of the communities' share. Brighton and Thornton each would get 5 percent, with 1.1 percent of the money going to Federal Heights under the agreement.
The ACC itself would retain 7.9 percent of the communities' share of the tax revenues, to help pay for marketing the DIA area and the region with Denver, as well as possibly planning and building other infrastructure.

Denver also will provide an upfront payment of $10 million to the other jurisdictions. And DIA will retain all the lease revenue from the new commercial businesses.The 1,500 acres can be expanded if the coordinating council agrees.Denver and Adams County communities will create a regional entity to jointly market the new area, and possibly plan, fund and develop regional infrastructure.
Land-use restrictions also will be lifted on property on the edges of the airport initially intended to be a buffer between DIA and surrounding communities.
Under the deal, DIA would not seek new commercial businesses that would compete with the nearby Anschutz Medical Campus and Fitzsimons Innovation Campus in Aurora.

Hancock, who unveiled the Airport City proposal in 2012, has called the development of unused land at DIA “the greatest opportunity we have for the entire region for the next 30 to 50 years.”
The airport-grounds development debate is separate from the ongoing "Aerotropolis" initiative to develop land outside the city limits near the airport, on which there's more agreement between Denver and its neighbors.
Cary Kennedy, Denver's deputy mayor and CFO, said the total dollar value of the development on the 1,500 acres that's part of the deal could be between $170 million and $260 million over the first 30 years of
development. [That's almost more than Colorado pot sales!]

That money, mostly from property and sales taxes, plus Denver's "head" tax on employees working within its boundaries, would then be split 50-50 between Denver and the surrounding communities.
Erik Hansen, an Adams County Commissioner and chairman of the Airport Coordinating Committee, said the 50 percent split of the tax money "seemed like it was fair."
Many of the comments Wednesday focused on the theme of regionalism and working together.
"We are all in this together, we're in this as a community and we all should be proud of the work that we did," Hansen said of the years of negotiations and the agreement that resulted.
Hancock said he'll encourage Denver voters to approve the agreement, because "this is about jobs and economic development."

Deal reached to clear the way for Denver airport business development - Denver Business Journal

Heisenberg

I did some preliminary math (please forgive any of my pilot math mistakes ) -

There are currently 748 active pilots, based on the total number of active bidders in both domiciles for the June bid period. This is out of a total of 862 pilots on the June 1st seniority list - for the sake of realistic representation of pilots actually bidding, we can probably exclude the May class and call the number of bidding pilots in June 842. That means that ~88.8% of pilots of the seniority list are "active" (748/842).

If the company hires at a rate of 20/month for the rest of the year, there will be 1000 pilots on property and 888 pilots bidding by December 31st (based on ~88.8% of pilots on the list being active). Also, if 200 pilots (100 crews) will be based in each ORD and MCO, that leaves approximately 488 positions remaining in DEN (888 active pilots minus 400 pilots for the other domiciles) - a reduction of 123 pilots (and 61 crews) from the June bid period.

I could see a few senior DEN FOs upgrading to CA in Chicago (as has been happening in the last few VSAs) as ORD people whole live in FL, or who prefer a commute to MCO, leave to the new base. That goes for DEN people as well. That could potentially have a stabilizing effect on existing DEN staffing and keep a large number of pilots there in their current statuses. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I'm an optimist like Sulk

I could also see a LAS base in the next 6-18 months, as we have some many redeyes departing from the there every night being fed by ORD and DEN crews having to make a 2-5 hr westbound flight flight before making the eastbound redeye. It would just make more sense (and would probably be cheaper) to have crews based there to start their pairings from LAS.

F9 Driver

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dang

F9 driver you were spot on. I will by you one if we fly together. But I'm on first year pay so you better buy me 2 after.

F9 Driver

Stupid site needs 10 characters so - Deal!

F9 Driver

We've got almost 40 pilots already living in Florida, some in Atlanta and a bunch who either live or would live on the East Coast (no thanks!) who, I think, will bid MCO, but mostly hold DEN now.

As far as another domicile this year - I doubt it. Lots of potential problems and variables already on the board for the airline and making bad press (but making money!), and if the Leap-X doesn't make scheduled delivery....

Hou757

How many gates does Frontier have in Orlando?

sulkair

Good number breakdown Heis. Be fun to watch it all play out. Where did I read 60/20/20 % den/Ord/MCO? Was thAt the FAPA email? anyway if that holds true with 1000 pilots tHAT keeps Den close to status quo. Well 89% status quo if you factor only active pilots. Not bad. Won't be any need for displacements out of Den anytime soon, I think. Can you run an upgrAde projection too ?

Kritchlow

Do you know the CA/FO breakdown on that 40? I'm trying to figure if I can get the MCO base. I'm a junior FO but I'm thinking it may go senior CA and junior FO..,,

F9 Driver

No, I don't.