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12-27-2016 | 02:34 PM
#6491
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The original guy who spouted off his Envoy garbage should have been ignored from the get go. My point to you was simply to draw attention to the negative outcome a tanked economy would not only have for him but for yourself and others. Sure sounded like a pretty cocky thing to say honestly when your pilot group is going through such difficult times during a strong economy.
Excellent point about Spirit's big gain in a slumping economy. Who else has done the same thing in recent times? Honest question as I really can't recall any others.
I know I'm sounding like captain obvious here but during the past 5 years United, Delta, American, SWA, FDX, UPS and Allegiant have made massive gains. You guys have been spinning your wheels during all of these gains due to a management team that clearly knows how to stall out as long as possible. It's frustrating as all can be when there is not much you can do besides show up and do your job like a professional.
If you'd like to bank on Spirit's success during tough times as an insurance policy in the event your negotiations drag into a slumped economy (hopefully not the case) then all I can say is best of luck and I'll stand with you guys at any picket until you get what you deserve.
My comment about your Airbus being light twins was a joke by the way. I recall many of times when I was at Republic the term "light twin" thrown at us from Frontier guys over the radio. Never really got the aircraft ego thing then nor do I get it now flying larger equipment. Just pay me as much as possible to work the least possible seems more important than passenger capacity or gross weight.
Excellent point about Spirit's big gain in a slumping economy. Who else has done the same thing in recent times? Honest question as I really can't recall any others.
I know I'm sounding like captain obvious here but during the past 5 years United, Delta, American, SWA, FDX, UPS and Allegiant have made massive gains. You guys have been spinning your wheels during all of these gains due to a management team that clearly knows how to stall out as long as possible. It's frustrating as all can be when there is not much you can do besides show up and do your job like a professional.
If you'd like to bank on Spirit's success during tough times as an insurance policy in the event your negotiations drag into a slumped economy (hopefully not the case) then all I can say is best of luck and I'll stand with you guys at any picket until you get what you deserve.
My comment about your Airbus being light twins was a joke by the way. I recall many of times when I was at Republic the term "light twin" thrown at us from Frontier guys over the radio. Never really got the aircraft ego thing then nor do I get it now flying larger equipment. Just pay me as much as possible to work the least possible seems more important than passenger capacity or gross weight.
Our guys haven't been spinning their wheels. They've been through a lot in the last 7 years, no thanks to Republic.
I think it's vitally important for every professional pilot in the nation to stand with Frontier pilots whenever and wherever we picket, so I thank you for that. It's in all of our best interests to put an end to substandard pilot wages.
12-27-2016 | 05:31 PM
#6492
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Joined: Nov 2016
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The original guy who spouted off his Envoy garbage should have been ignored from the get go. My point to you was simply to draw attention to the negative outcome a tanked economy would not only have for him but for yourself and others. Sure sounded like a pretty cocky thing to say honestly when your pilot group is going through such difficult times during a strong economy.
Excellent point about Spirit's big gain in a slumping economy. Who else has done the same thing in recent times? Honest question as I really can't recall any others.
I know I'm sounding like captain obvious here but during the past 5 years United, Delta, American, SWA, FDX, UPS and Allegiant have made massive gains. You guys have been spinning your wheels during all of these gains due to a management team that clearly knows how to stall out as long as possible. It's frustrating as all can be when there is not much you can do besides show up and do your job like a professional.
If you'd like to bank on Spirit's success during tough times as an insurance policy in the event your negotiations drag into a slumped economy (hopefully not the case) then all I can say is best of luck and I'll stand with you guys at any picket until you get what you deserve.
My comment about your Airbus being light twins was a joke by the way. I recall many of times when I was at Republic the term "light twin" thrown at us from Frontier guys over the radio. Never really got the aircraft ego thing then nor do I get it now flying larger equipment. Just pay me as much as possible to work the least possible seems more important than passenger capacity or gross weight.
Excellent point about Spirit's big gain in a slumping economy. Who else has done the same thing in recent times? Honest question as I really can't recall any others.
I know I'm sounding like captain obvious here but during the past 5 years United, Delta, American, SWA, FDX, UPS and Allegiant have made massive gains. You guys have been spinning your wheels during all of these gains due to a management team that clearly knows how to stall out as long as possible. It's frustrating as all can be when there is not much you can do besides show up and do your job like a professional.
If you'd like to bank on Spirit's success during tough times as an insurance policy in the event your negotiations drag into a slumped economy (hopefully not the case) then all I can say is best of luck and I'll stand with you guys at any picket until you get what you deserve.
My comment about your Airbus being light twins was a joke by the way. I recall many of times when I was at Republic the term "light twin" thrown at us from Frontier guys over the radio. Never really got the aircraft ego thing then nor do I get it now flying larger equipment. Just pay me as much as possible to work the least possible seems more important than passenger capacity or gross weight.
It's a process but the contract will come.
12-29-2016 | 09:45 PM
#6494
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From: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
You're really underestimating the strength of the ULCC business model. Spirit did well during the downturn and so will Frontier. We don't have legacy costs, our neo's burn 16% less fuel, and we already have a 25+% profit margin. No one here is worried about our jobs come the next downturn, but we often comment about how quickly and deep the legacies will cut jobs. So yes, I'll bank on Spirit's success.
12-30-2016 | 07:16 AM
#6495
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Read my entire post. I'm not in favor of substandard pilot wages. When I speak of "legacy costs" I'm referring to the long term expense burdens that any legacy employer has. Whether it's GE, Boeing, or Southwest. Legacy costs are a squeeze on profit margin. We are a young company. That was my point.
12-30-2016 | 04:51 PM
#6496
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From: 1900D CA
You know that's not true, right? All of our operating costs are lower than the big 3. Pilot compensation is lower of course, but so is everything else. United CASM is 12 cents/ mile, ours is 6 or less. That's half the cost per seat mile. You think that's only pilot compensation?
12-30-2016 | 05:56 PM
#6497
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From: Airbus CA
The biggest reasons our costs are so much lower are our aircraft utilization (our planes fly 24/7), and aircraft configurations (319s seat 150, 320s seat 180, and 321s seat 230)...cheap employees are a VERY negligible cost. They can 100% afford to pay us $$$ and still turn extremely nice profits!
12-30-2016 | 08:05 PM
#6498
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You know that's not true, right? All of our operating costs are lower than the big 3. Pilot compensation is lower of course, but so is everything else. United CASM is 12 cents/ mile, ours is 6 or less. That's half the cost per seat mile. You think that's only pilot compensation?
12-30-2016 | 09:58 PM
#6499
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You know that's not true, right? All of our operating costs are lower than the big 3. Pilot compensation is lower of course, but so is everything else. United CASM is 12 cents/ mile, ours is 6 or less. That's half the cost per seat mile. You think that's only pilot compensation?
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