They'll never open the books. They will simply refuse that request (or any similar request) from the arbitrator. And the arbitrator will award in the union's favor.

 

Why do you guys stay there. They are playing you all and every major is hiring.

 

Because you can't force any of the big 3 to call. A lot have apps out, and haven't heard a peep.

 

People like you think that you can go wherever you want! Get a clue! You have to be called to interview at a Legacy first!

 

Because we are likely a year away from an industry standard contract. Sometimes you have to think into the future and not just today. People at Frontier are flying up the seniority list while we work on a contract. We are going to double in size in 5 years

 

Because I'm about halfway up the seniority list, which means I am quite well insulated from furlough. I don't know about you, but I was in this business on 11 Sept 2001. At that point, everyone thought there would never be furloughs in this industry again - much like the prevailing attitude now. Yes, there are many, many more retirements now than then, but don't fool yourself for one single second. It can, and it will, happen again. The only question is when. It might be five years from now, it might be fifteen years from now, but it will happen again. Mark. My. Words. The legacies will lop 3000 off the bottom of a list and not think twice about it. Do I think it will be later, rather than sooner? Sure, I do, but at my age, this is not a gamble I want to take.

Aside from all that, is the fact that every single airline in business today has been a bottom feeder and a shlthole at certain points. Every single one of them. I remember when Southwest sucked. I remember when guys at Delta were taking early outs and resigning seniority numbers to go to Emirates.

It's like buying a stock, you look for one with good fundamentals that is trading below market value and buy it when you think it's as close as it's going to be to rock bottom, then you buy and ride it up. Same principle here.

Frontier may suck hind tit from a pilot's perspective at the moment, but so did the rest of them at some point.

I'll be sure and get back to you on my 65th birthday and let you know how it turned out.

 

I came here to grab a type and get out of the regionals. I'll leave frontier the first chance I get to go to a legacy.

 

I see your point but I disagree. Even if there is a massive furlough in 5 yrs at a major you'll have that 3000 pilots below you by then and the earning potential at the major is so much higher you'll recoup your losses by becoming junior again.
I get it if you have invested time in the company and want to see it improve or like it there or don't want to move to another company again.

 

If that furlough you just described happens the pay won't be the same.
In fact it was lower at the legacies than Spirits the last go around when they came off strike.
3000 over five years is also a huge stretch.
That's also if it stays at 65, which in my opinion will be 67 before it's over.

Everyone chill, there's a contract on the way. There's squares to be filled first. That's all.

 

Anyone have any hints or last minute pieces of advice prior to beginning training? I intend to walk in with a positive attitude and will try to absorb everything like a sponge. I come from an airline that doesn't have initial AQP so I am familiar with the process. I plan to put in the work and study hard, but is there anything that new hires typically have trouble with? Is everyone fitting within the allotted amount of sim sessions? Any tid-bits of input would be greatly appreciated!