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Old 02-27-2017, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AncientAliens View Post
THIS!

Delta, Southwest, and Hawaiian (if they ratify) all got significant retro. From what I've heard on the line I don't think our NC has made it a high priority. I hope that changes as negotiations drag on. The company needs to know there are consequences for their bad behavior with concern to the current and future contracts.
They goddammed better not be asking for, but, instead, demanding FULL FUKKING RETRO PAY.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Harvey Specter View Post
They goddammed better not be asking for, but, instead, demanding FULL FUKKING RETRO PAY.


The timing will be interesting. The retro pay clock won't even start for two more days.


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Old 02-27-2017, 05:10 PM
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I suspect that the little discussion of retro pay is because our contract hasn't become ammendable yet. So, it's been a pointless discussion until now.

On another note, has anyone heard anything on the arbitration on LOA67?
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Old 02-27-2017, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
I suspect that the little discussion of retro pay is because our contract hasn't become ammendable yet. So, it's been a pointless discussion until now.

On another note, has anyone heard anything on the arbitration on LOA67?
I believe the arbitration is scheduled for April sometime...at least that is what I heard from one of the red lanyard guys recently.

I agree with you as far as retro...the contract isn't amendable yet so nothing to see there...yet! If this drags on until 2020....I suspect that will change though.
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Old 02-27-2017, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Harvey Specter View Post
They goddammed better not be asking for, but, instead, demanding FULL FUKKING RETRO PAY.

YES, YES, And YES.

But I wouldn't be surprised if this MEC were not instructing the NC to ask for it. I don't know a single person who will vote yes without retro. So it's extremely important to everyone I know.

The clock start this week.
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Old 02-27-2017, 06:44 PM
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My guess is that a partial IPO will occur BEFORE any contract.......that way indigo passes the "cost" of the contract to the shareholders.......
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Old 02-27-2017, 08:02 PM
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My guess is that a partial IPO will occur BEFORE any contract.......that way indigo passes the "cost" of the contract to the shareholders.......
A partial Initial Public Offering? Is that when the company offers stock but nobody wants it?
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Old 02-27-2017, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
I suspect that the little discussion of retro pay is because our contract hasn't become ammendable yet. So, it's been a pointless discussion until now.

On another note, has anyone heard anything on the arbitration on LOA67?
I'm going to speculate the company hasn't spent an ounce of effort to provide evidence to the arbitrator of the poor business conditions claimed in 2016. So it is probable, to me, that we'll "win" in arbitration.

That being said, why wouldn't we ask for retro pay back to the date the grievance was filed? LOA67 and Section 6 negotiations are separate but if an arbitrator determines we were entitled to upward pay adjustments on the date specified by LOA67, then that becomes admissible ammunition in Section 6.
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900 View Post
I suspect that the little discussion of retro pay is because our contract hasn't become ammendable yet. So, it's been a pointless discussion until now.
I should have been more clear: I am talking about retro pay on the contract AND LOA 67. We should be paid all the way back to the day this rathole airline first met the profitability trigger for the 67 raise.
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Old 02-28-2017, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Harvey Specter View Post
I should have been more clear: I am talking about retro pay on the contract AND LOA 67. We should be paid all the way back to the day this rathole airline first met the profitability trigger for the 67 raise.
There's nothing for them to pay us... all LOA 67 says is the company will negotiate upward pay adjustments in good faith... there was no specification on what an upward pay adjustment actually is... so I may be wrong, but if we win the arbitration, it sounds like all the arbitrator can make the company do, is negotiate in good faith... and that, as we all know, is a turd... and not even a polished turd
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