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Old 03-07-2017 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotled
As far I understand if you are bus rated and have experience on the 320 the 500 hours pic is not mandatory. If anybody can help with the recruitment team please PM. Would really appreciate to avoid the regionals and the rjs. Thanks
Just send your application in and have F9 make that decision.
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Old 03-07-2017 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
I think it's optimistic to think a contract is coming any time soon. I believe Spirit buys Frontier in 1-2 years. Franke wanted it when he was on the board at Spirit. Biffle has morphed F9's business model into a spitting image of NK's. Fornaro was brought to NK clean up the image and improve performance metrics, but also because he has the M&A experience. Baldanza wanted to grow NK organically, so he was given the boot. Once F9 is IPOed and SAVE stock reaches a predetermined value as to not dilute the share price too badly, Spirit will make a bid using mostly stock and save their cash reserves to fund continued growth. There is very little route structure overlap, but that's starting to change as both airlines grow and begin to infringe on the each other's territory. Common fleet, common reservation system, common business strategy...it's basically plug and play. Change some signs, paint some airplanes, buy some uniforms...voila!

The worst part about this scenario is how it affects contract negotiations for both groups. Right now, both management groups are enjoying a "yuuuuge" comparative advantage in labor savings over the competition. Do you think they want to give that up any time soon? Merge the airlines, and we're back to square one on negotiations plus mired in an SLI for a couple more years.
I think you're pretty much spot on. This allows Spirit to buy F9, Fornaro to use his M&A skills to get the deal done and puts Franke back at the top of the board of directors with Biffle as president. One more buy by Indigo - a NAI type operation to join all the "little" ULCCs together globally and you've got Franke's global domination dream come true.

As you alluded to, another log in the road is that the buyout of F9 by Spirit other allows for both management groups to stall their talks when they get close to a deal (self help). Just because of sheer complexity they could kick this down the road for who knows how long and blame it on the JCBA the pilots want before the merger progressed.

None of us are going to get anything until the NMB releases us and management may be able to stall beyond that date by announcing the merger. And no - I didn't just give management this idea. These guys aren't playing at the Potter/Tate level.
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Old 03-07-2017 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotled
Riverside, come on. Please advise Thanks
What? You said "I" in everything. Now you said "he."
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Old 03-07-2017 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Windsor
Here is a little piece of crew room rumor I heard the other day......a pilot from a spring 2015 class got hired at Delta last month. Word around the water cooler is Delta said they would pay off his contract at F9. I give it 2 on the truth meter, but who knows.
I call BS on that. I started around that time and I did NOT sign a training contract!
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Old 03-07-2017 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by F9 Driver
These guys aren't playing at the Potter/Tate level.
It's more like the Wyche/Warnecke level! Scares the crap out of of me!
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Old 03-07-2017 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
I think it's optimistic to think a contract is coming any time soon. I believe Spirit buys Frontier in 1-2 years. Franke wanted it when he was on the board at Spirit. Biffle has morphed F9's business model into a spitting image of NK's. Fornaro was brought to NK clean up the image and improve performance metrics, but also because he has the M&A experience. Baldanza wanted to grow NK organically, so he was given the boot. Once F9 is IPOed and SAVE stock reaches a predetermined value as to not dilute the share price too badly, Spirit will make a bid using mostly stock and save their cash reserves to fund continued growth. There is very little route structure overlap, but that's starting to change as both airlines grow and begin to infringe on the each other's territory. Common fleet, common reservation system, common business strategy...it's basically plug and play. Change some signs, paint some airplanes, buy some uniforms...voila!

The worst part about this scenario is how it affects contract negotiations for both groups. Right now, both management groups are enjoying a "yuuuuge" comparative advantage in labor savings over the competition. Do you think they want to give that up any time soon? Merge the airlines, and we're back to square one on negotiations plus mired in an SLI for a couple more years.
I heard we are over lapping with Spirt in the neighborhood of 30 percent. I don't know that to be fact, but read it somewhere.
I for one hope a merger with them doesn't happen. Contract being a big part of that. I'm not convinced that anyone is interested in sharing the pie anyways. Half a million a day in profits, and only 4 percent market share. Sky's the limit on putting money in Indigos pockets if you ask me. Just my .02 cents.
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Old 03-07-2017 | 12:21 PM
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...egas/98847952/

Let's throw some fuel on the new base fire. Vegas grows again.

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Old 03-07-2017 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by etflies
Frontier up to 10 routes from Colorado Springs, 20 from Las Vegas

Let's throw some fuel on the new base fire. Vegas grows again.

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Can you copy and paste the story for those of us without a subscription?
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Old 03-07-2017 | 12:42 PM
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Can you copy and paste the story for those of us without a subscription?
Sure, my apologies, I copied the link from Facebook and didn't realize it needed a subscription.

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Frontier Airlines announced 11 new routes Tuesday, ramping up its presence in both Colorado Springs and Las Vegas.
The “ultra” low-cost carrier (ULCC) revealed plans for seven new routes from Colorado Springs and four from Las Vegas.
The Colorado Springs routes revive an on-again, off-again relationship that the Denver-based carrier has had with the city. Frontier previously made Colorado Springs a focus city in 2012, launching nonstop routes to several destinations. At its peak, Frontier's schedule there included non-stop service to more than a half-dozen cities, according to the airline. But by mid-2013, Frontier had pulled out of the city altogether before returning again in 2016.
The Colorado Springs airport is located about 80 miles south of Denver – where Frontier runs its biggest operation. The carrier currently offers three non-stop routes from Colorado Springs (to Las Vegas, Orlando and Phoenix), a number that will grow to 10 (including seasonal routes) once Frontier's newly announced flights begin.
In Las Vegas, Frontier's schedule will include service to 20 year-round and seasonal nonstop destinations once its additional flights begin.
Frontier’s ramp-up there also revives another strategy that the airline had shied away from in recent years. Two of Frontier’s four new Las Vegas routes (to Bismarck, N.D., and Sioux Falls, S.D.) are to small markets. Earlier this decade, Frontier moved aggressively into a number of smaller markets – places like Provo, Utah; Wilmington, Del.; and Minot, N.D. – only to shift its focus back to bigger markets in recent years.
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Frontier's Tuesday announcement includes a mix of both big and small markets.
Also of note, Frontier’s effort to add Las Vegas routes to the small cities in the Dakotas seems to mimic a strategy used to great success by ULCC rival Allegiant. That company spent much of the past decade growing by exploiting such routes, adding nonstop, less-than-daily service to leisure destinations from dozens of small markets across the United States. Frontier will fly twice a week to Bismarck and four times a week to Sioux Falls.
As for Allegiant, it still serves a large number of those types of markets, but it also has moved aggressively into bigger markets like Newark, N.J., Baltimore/Washington, Pittsburgh and Kansas City, Mo., among others.
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Chicago O’Hare: Seasonal daily service begins June 12 (Airbus A319 aircraft).
Fort Myers, Fla.: Will be introduced “later this fall,” details TBD.
Los Angeles: Seasonal four-times-a-week service begins June 12. (Airbus A319 aircraft).
San Diego: Seasonal thrice-weekly service begins July 10 (Airbus A320 aircraft).
San Francisco: Seasonal thrice-weekly service begins June 11 (Airbus A319)
Tampa: Will be introduced “later this fall,” details TBD.
Washington Dulles: Seasonal daily service begins July 10. (Airbus A320 aircraft).
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Bismarck, N.D.: Year-round twice-weekly service begins June 11 (Airbus A319 aircraft).
Indianapolis: Year-round thrice-weekly service begins July 16 (Airbus A320 aircraft).
Sioux Falls, S.D.: Year-round four-times-weekly service begins June 12 (Airbus A319 aircraft).
Washington Dulles: Year-round daily service begins July 16 (Airbus A320 aircraft).
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Old 03-07-2017 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboFanMan
I heard we are over lapping with Spirt in the neighborhood of 30 percent. I don't know that to be fact, but read it somewhere.
I for one hope a merger with them doesn't happen. Contract being a big part of that. I'm not convinced that anyone is interested in sharing the pie anyways. Half a million a day in profits, and only 4 percent market share. Sky's the limit on putting money in Indigos pockets if you ask me. Just my .02 cents.
The same thing could be said about Spirit as a standalone airline, however, they are starting to step on each other's toes a bit. The growth of each is starting to cause more overlap and competition on a few routes. Frontier gives Spirit an instant presence in the West and more A/C orders. Franke says he sees more consolidation among LCCs in the U.S., and he likely has the power to make it happen. Among remaining LCCs (Frontier, Spirit, JetBlue, and Allegiant), this union seems to be a no-brainer. If it happens, it'll be a bad deal for contract prospects on both sides. The SLI SEEMS like it would be fairly straightforward...both ALPA, same A/C, similar career expectations...but management would probably be able to stall long enough to negotiate a deal at a more favorable time for them, and get a couple more years of discounted labor in the meantime.
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