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Old 03-07-2017, 12:21 PM
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...egas/98847952/

Let's throw some fuel on the new base fire. Vegas grows again.

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Frontier up to 10 routes from Colorado Springs, 20 from Las Vegas

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Can you copy and paste the story for those of us without a subscription?
Sure, my apologies, I copied the link from Facebook and didn't realize it needed a subscription.

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Frontier Airlines announced 11 new routes Tuesday, ramping up its presence in both Colorado Springs and Las Vegas.
The “ultra” low-cost carrier (ULCC) revealed plans for seven new routes from Colorado Springs and four from Las Vegas.
The Colorado Springs routes revive an on-again, off-again relationship that the Denver-based carrier has had with the city. Frontier previously made Colorado Springs a focus city in 2012, launching nonstop routes to several destinations. At its peak, Frontier's schedule there included non-stop service to more than a half-dozen cities, according to the airline. But by mid-2013, Frontier had pulled out of the city altogether before returning again in 2016.
The Colorado Springs airport is located about 80 miles south of Denver – where Frontier runs its biggest operation. The carrier currently offers three non-stop routes from Colorado Springs (to Las Vegas, Orlando and Phoenix), a number that will grow to 10 (including seasonal routes) once Frontier's newly announced flights begin.
In Las Vegas, Frontier's schedule will include service to 20 year-round and seasonal nonstop destinations once its additional flights begin.
Frontier’s ramp-up there also revives another strategy that the airline had shied away from in recent years. Two of Frontier’s four new Las Vegas routes (to Bismarck, N.D., and Sioux Falls, S.D.) are to small markets. Earlier this decade, Frontier moved aggressively into a number of smaller markets – places like Provo, Utah; Wilmington, Del.; and Minot, N.D. – only to shift its focus back to bigger markets in recent years.
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Frontier's Tuesday announcement includes a mix of both big and small markets.
Also of note, Frontier’s effort to add Las Vegas routes to the small cities in the Dakotas seems to mimic a strategy used to great success by ULCC rival Allegiant. That company spent much of the past decade growing by exploiting such routes, adding nonstop, less-than-daily service to leisure destinations from dozens of small markets across the United States. Frontier will fly twice a week to Bismarck and four times a week to Sioux Falls.
As for Allegiant, it still serves a large number of those types of markets, but it also has moved aggressively into bigger markets like Newark, N.J., Baltimore/Washington, Pittsburgh and Kansas City, Mo., among others.
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Chicago O’Hare: Seasonal daily service begins June 12 (Airbus A319 aircraft).
Fort Myers, Fla.: Will be introduced “later this fall,” details TBD.
Los Angeles: Seasonal four-times-a-week service begins June 12. (Airbus A319 aircraft).
San Diego: Seasonal thrice-weekly service begins July 10 (Airbus A320 aircraft).
San Francisco: Seasonal thrice-weekly service begins June 11 (Airbus A319)
Tampa: Will be introduced “later this fall,” details TBD.
Washington Dulles: Seasonal daily service begins July 10. (Airbus A320 aircraft).
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Bismarck, N.D.: Year-round twice-weekly service begins June 11 (Airbus A319 aircraft).
Indianapolis: Year-round thrice-weekly service begins July 16 (Airbus A320 aircraft).
Sioux Falls, S.D.: Year-round four-times-weekly service begins June 12 (Airbus A319 aircraft).
Washington Dulles: Year-round daily service begins July 16 (Airbus A320 aircraft).
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Originally Posted by TurboFanMan View Post
I heard we are over lapping with Spirt in the neighborhood of 30 percent. I don't know that to be fact, but read it somewhere.
I for one hope a merger with them doesn't happen. Contract being a big part of that. I'm not convinced that anyone is interested in sharing the pie anyways. Half a million a day in profits, and only 4 percent market share. Sky's the limit on putting money in Indigos pockets if you ask me. Just my .02 cents.
The same thing could be said about Spirit as a standalone airline, however, they are starting to step on each other's toes a bit. The growth of each is starting to cause more overlap and competition on a few routes. Frontier gives Spirit an instant presence in the West and more A/C orders. Franke says he sees more consolidation among LCCs in the U.S., and he likely has the power to make it happen. Among remaining LCCs (Frontier, Spirit, JetBlue, and Allegiant), this union seems to be a no-brainer. If it happens, it'll be a bad deal for contract prospects on both sides. The SLI SEEMS like it would be fairly straightforward...both ALPA, same A/C, similar career expectations...but management would probably be able to stall long enough to negotiate a deal at a more favorable time for them, and get a couple more years of discounted labor in the meantime.
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The same thing could be said about Spirit as a standalone airline, however, they are starting to step on each other's toes a bit. The growth of each is starting to cause more overlap and competition on a few routes. Frontier gives Spirit an instant presence in the West and more A/C orders. Franke says he sees more consolidation among LCCs in the U.S., and he likely has the power to make it happen. Among remaining LCCs (Frontier, Spirit, JetBlue, and Allegiant), this union seems to be a no-brainer. If it happens, it'll be a bad deal for contract prospects on both sides. The SLI SEEMS like it would be fairly straightforward...both ALPA, same A/C, similar career expectations...but management would probably be able to stall long enough to negotiate a deal at a more favorable time for them, and get a couple more years of discounted labor in the meantime.
Do you guys have a timeline for the IPO?
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Do you guys have a timeline for the IPO?
Franke knows. We don't know anything.
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW View Post
The same thing could be said about Spirit as a standalone airline, however, they are starting to step on each other's toes a bit. The growth of each is starting to cause more overlap and competition on a few routes. Frontier gives Spirit an instant presence in the West and more A/C orders. Franke says he sees more consolidation among LCCs in the U.S., and he likely has the power to make it happen. Among remaining LCCs (Frontier, Spirit, JetBlue, and Allegiant), this union seems to be a no-brainer. If it happens, it'll be a bad deal for contract prospects on both sides. The SLI SEEMS like it would be fairly straightforward...both ALPA, same A/C, similar career expectations...but management would probably be able to stall long enough to negotiate a deal at a more favorable time for them, and get a couple more years of discounted labor in the meantime.
I thought I read somewhere that any time an airline merger occurs two ALPA carriers, it generates an automatic renegotiation of sorts...I'll have to try and find that language but if anyone else knows...
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Speaking from prior experience, a merger would be very bad for us in terms of getting a new contract. At my prior airline, while in negotiations, the parent company bought 2 other airlines. We operated under our crappy old contract until there was a new joint CBA negotiated. This added several years to the process.
We do not want to go down that path. We need a contract before any sort of merger with Spirit or another carrier not paying legacy wages.
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Speaking from prior experience, a merger would be very bad for us in terms of getting a new contract. At my prior airline, while in negotiations, the parent company bought 2 other airlines. We operated under our crappy old contract until there was a new joint CBA negotiated. This added several years to the process.
We do not want to go down that path. We need a contract before any sort of merger with Spirit or another carrier not paying legacy wages.
I agree with that.
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Old 03-08-2017, 04:01 PM
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I personally think any merger is a ways down the road. There is no real reason to merge Frontier and spirit right now. Both are profitable and growing organically.

I believe we will merge someday, maybe during the next recession, but not in the next few years. There hasn't even been any progress on the IPO yet
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