Originally Posted by turbojet28

I'd say most trips are commutable on at least one side, and many are on both. Certainly some are not.

Pretty good mix of pairing lengths. 4-days and 3-days most common. Looks like average lines are currently around 14-15 days off, built normally right at 75 hours. Not the most efficient. Lots of red eyes.

Originally Posted by shreddykreuger

In DEN there tends to be more open time (larger base) available for swapping trips. If you don't get a commutable line, you can generally move trips around to get a commutable schedule. Sometimes, you have to fly inefficient trips or red eyes to make that happen though so it's a trade off.

Originally Posted by deceleration1

Thanks for info. And to the earlier post also (couldn't quote it).

What about training pay? Min guarantee/ flat rate? What do most do for housing? Does anyone double up in one of the nearby hotels to save? Is ground and sim at Tower Rd or somewhere else?
Not trying to put horse before cart, just be informed.

Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590

Training pay is min guarantee paid out on the 5th and 20th of the month.

I buddied up with another silver guy during Indoc at the red lion. For FTD and sims I stayed alone at the red lion.

Seems like all new hire classes are going to be held atSSS instead of the GO. You might have your first day at the GO for HR stuff though.

Originally Posted by deceleration1

Thanks!
Do those places give you any kid of F9 rate?
Also, SSS? same general area or??

Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590

The red lion used to be $250/wk but they're now $442/wk keep in mind this is cash. If you used your card it would be more. Nice front desk people but a shady operation.

Strategic Simulation Solutions the building we used to share with SKW's E Jet training. Now it's where Indoc and sims are located. It's about an $8 uber ride from the GO area.

Originally Posted by deceleration1

Thanks!
Do those places give you any kid of F9 rate?
Also, SSS? same general area or??

Originally Posted by SeaRider

Perhaps you can expand on this? I hear this attitude frequently from CA's on the line which worries me. Exactly WHY should we NOT get paid what Delta does? Usually, the answers I get are related to our ULCC business model. The model that upper management has chosen to make the highest profits they can is of absolutely no concern to me. If they could make more with First Class and all the perks, they'd do it.

The ULCC business model incorporates cost reductions where they can control it. Mostly, it is limited investment in infrastructure, and higher density seating at the cost of pax comfort. But they cannot control some basic airline business costs. They do not purchase main landing tires, for example, for a discount on account of being a ULCC. We don't get a discount on fuel because we're a ULCC. Pilots here need to adopt the mindset that they do not get discounted pilots either. We are as much a cost of doing business as fuel and tires.

We fly A321's with more pax than industry 757's. We need to be paid industry standard wages for the airframes we fly. I think we work harder than Delta Pilots. Our lack of investment in infrastructure and ground handling means we have to be ultra alert, and are regularly catching mistakes that could lead to FAA violations. The regularity of passenger disturbances puts plenty at risk as well, and we're generally not getting paid when these events occur.

How management makes the money behind our paychecks is their job, and they're doing that fairly well when you consider our astronomically high profit margins. I personally have no intentions of giving Franke a discount on my labor for any reason.





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Originally Posted by Jcabesa

+100!!!

I agree with you completely and I fail to see why we aren't worth as much as Legacy pilots.

Hopefully more and more of our pilot group will agree with us. I'm not even upset about the negotiations thus far, it's all part of the process. But I'll be darned if I'm okay with negotiations dragging out for a couple of years, only to accept a sub-par contract.

Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590

Strategic Simulation Solutions the building we used to share with SKW's E Jet training. Now it's where Indoc and sims are located. It's about an $8 uber ride from the GO area.