Frontier Hiring.
03-09-2017 | 09:00 AM
#7181
Gets Weekends Off
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It was beautifully written, but if they could get tires that worked just as hard for half the price wouldn't they? See my point? And therein lies the reason you, and I, are concerned SeaRider.
What should be often becomes irrelevant when reality is at play.
What should be often becomes irrelevant when reality is at play.
03-09-2017 | 09:19 AM
#7183
On Reserve
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 11
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Hi all-
Can someone shed some light on the commutability of the schedules? Typical days off, trip length, days off between trips? I'd be commuting from PHL.
I have a little info on your commuter policy (list on two flights arriving 1hr before show) , but I assume no hotels provided.
I have an interview on the 16th and would love to have a better handle on this issue before showing up.
Thanks for any info.
Can someone shed some light on the commutability of the schedules? Typical days off, trip length, days off between trips? I'd be commuting from PHL.
I have a little info on your commuter policy (list on two flights arriving 1hr before show) , but I assume no hotels provided.
I have an interview on the 16th and would love to have a better handle on this issue before showing up.
Thanks for any info.
03-09-2017 | 09:22 AM
#7185
On Reserve
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 19
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From: Airbus Captain
Perhaps you can expand on this? I hear this attitude frequently from CA's on the line which worries me. Exactly WHY should we NOT get paid what Delta does? Usually, the answers I get are related to our ULCC business model. The model that upper management has chosen to make the highest profits they can is of absolutely no concern to me. If they could make more with First Class and all the perks, they'd do it.
The ULCC business model incorporates cost reductions where they can control it. Mostly, it is limited investment in infrastructure, and higher density seating at the cost of pax comfort. But they cannot control some basic airline business costs. They do not purchase main landing tires, for example, for a discount on account of being a ULCC. We don't get a discount on fuel because we're a ULCC. Pilots here need to adopt the mindset that they do not get discounted pilots either. We are as much a cost of doing business as fuel and tires.
We fly A321's with more pax than industry 757's. We need to be paid industry standard wages for the airframes we fly. I think we work harder than Delta Pilots. Our lack of investment in infrastructure and ground handling means we have to be ultra alert, and are regularly catching mistakes that could lead to FAA violations. The regularity of passenger disturbances puts plenty at risk as well, and we're generally not getting paid when these events occur.
How management makes the money behind our paychecks is their job, and they're doing that fairly well when you consider our astronomically high profit margins. I personally have no intentions of giving Franke a discount on my labor for any reason.
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The ULCC business model incorporates cost reductions where they can control it. Mostly, it is limited investment in infrastructure, and higher density seating at the cost of pax comfort. But they cannot control some basic airline business costs. They do not purchase main landing tires, for example, for a discount on account of being a ULCC. We don't get a discount on fuel because we're a ULCC. Pilots here need to adopt the mindset that they do not get discounted pilots either. We are as much a cost of doing business as fuel and tires.
We fly A321's with more pax than industry 757's. We need to be paid industry standard wages for the airframes we fly. I think we work harder than Delta Pilots. Our lack of investment in infrastructure and ground handling means we have to be ultra alert, and are regularly catching mistakes that could lead to FAA violations. The regularity of passenger disturbances puts plenty at risk as well, and we're generally not getting paid when these events occur.
How management makes the money behind our paychecks is their job, and they're doing that fairly well when you consider our astronomically high profit margins. I personally have no intentions of giving Franke a discount on my labor for any reason.
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Also, everyone demanding a contract NOW is unreasonable, we have only been in negotiations for a few months and our current contract just became amendable this month. I want a new contract more than anyone, and it will happen. But the "negotiating" game has to play out first.
Also, for those talking about the "old attitude at Frontier"... If it weren't for us more senior pilots at Frontier taking pay cuts and doing everything we did to save the company, we wouldn't even be having this conversation now because the airline would not exist. So next time you fly with a more senior pilot, thank them for sacrificing their QOL and taking pay cuts so that the airline survived long enough to hire you.
03-09-2017 | 09:25 AM
#7186
Line Holder
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 691
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Hi all-
Can someone shed some light on the commutability of the schedules? Typical days off, trip length, days off between trips? I'd be commuting from PHL.
I have a little info on your commuter policy (list on two flights arriving 1hr before show) , but I assume no hotels provided.
I have an interview on the 16th and would love to have a better handle on this issue before showing up.
Thanks for any info.
Can someone shed some light on the commutability of the schedules? Typical days off, trip length, days off between trips? I'd be commuting from PHL.
I have a little info on your commuter policy (list on two flights arriving 1hr before show) , but I assume no hotels provided.
I have an interview on the 16th and would love to have a better handle on this issue before showing up.
Thanks for any info.
Pretty good mix of pairing lengths. 4-days and 3-days most common. Looks like average lines are currently around 14-15 days off, built normally right at 75 hours. Not the most efficient. Lots of red eyes.
03-09-2017 | 09:41 AM
#7187
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 118
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I'd say most trips are commutable on at least one side, and many are on both. Certainly some are not.
Pretty good mix of pairing lengths. 4-days and 3-days most common. Looks like average lines are currently around 14-15 days off, built normally right at 75 hours. Not the most efficient. Lots of red eyes.
Pretty good mix of pairing lengths. 4-days and 3-days most common. Looks like average lines are currently around 14-15 days off, built normally right at 75 hours. Not the most efficient. Lots of red eyes.
03-09-2017 | 09:51 AM
#7188
On Reserve
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 11
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In DEN there tends to be more open time (larger base) available for swapping trips. If you don't get a commutable line, you can generally move trips around to get a commutable schedule. Sometimes, you have to fly inefficient trips or red eyes to make that happen though so it's a trade off.
What about training pay? Min guarantee/ flat rate? What do most do for housing? Does anyone double up in one of the nearby hotels to save? Is ground and sim at Tower Rd or somewhere else?
Not trying to put horse before cart, just be informed.
03-09-2017 | 10:03 AM
#7189
Scary...Scary...
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,606
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From: Rollin' Down tha 405
Thanks for info. And to the earlier post also (couldn't quote it).
What about training pay? Min guarantee/ flat rate? What do most do for housing? Does anyone double up in one of the nearby hotels to save? Is ground and sim at Tower Rd or somewhere else?
Not trying to put horse before cart, just be informed.
What about training pay? Min guarantee/ flat rate? What do most do for housing? Does anyone double up in one of the nearby hotels to save? Is ground and sim at Tower Rd or somewhere else?
Not trying to put horse before cart, just be informed.
I buddied up with another silver guy during Indoc at the red lion. For FTD and sims I stayed alone at the red lion.
Seems like all new hire classes are going to be held atSSS instead of the GO. You might have your first day at the GO for HR stuff though.
03-09-2017 | 10:13 AM
#7190
On Reserve
Joined: Mar 2017
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Training pay is min guarantee paid out on the 5th and 20th of the month.
I buddied up with another silver guy during Indoc at the red lion. For FTD and sims I stayed alone at the red lion.
Seems like all new hire classes are going to be held atSSS instead of the GO. You might have your first day at the GO for HR stuff though.
I buddied up with another silver guy during Indoc at the red lion. For FTD and sims I stayed alone at the red lion.
Seems like all new hire classes are going to be held atSSS instead of the GO. You might have your first day at the GO for HR stuff though.
Do those places give you any kid of F9 rate?
Also, SSS? same general area or??
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