Frontier Hiring.
03-11-2017 | 07:38 AM
#7211
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Ugh, such a disgusting attitude. NO AIRLINE, and I repeat, NO AIRLINE, has ever gone out of business because of what they had to pay their pilots. The pay cuts you took were pennies in the bucket to the overall operating cost of the airline. Quit being delusional. You didn't save anything. You made a decision out of fear and irrationality to keep a check in your pocket. Not only that, you negotiated AWFUL terms on getting that money back. Who in their right mind would look back and say the paycuts taken were done with the pilots' best interest in mind 5 years down the road?
Oh, and it is the junior pilots that are affected most. Our first year pilots make less than a regional airline first year FO. Funny, because I only ever hear this tripe from folks on the top 100 of the list. You know, the guys who had a 6 month upgrade here.
Oh, and it is the junior pilots that are affected most. Our first year pilots make less than a regional airline first year FO. Funny, because I only ever hear this tripe from folks on the top 100 of the list. You know, the guys who had a 6 month upgrade here.
Stop ****ing on the past, it's a waste of time and doesn't serve any purpose. Right now we need to focus on getting paid what we deserve in 2017 and prepare for the inevitable strike.
Last edited by Mugatu; 03-11-2017 at 07:49 AM.
03-11-2017 | 07:49 AM
#7212
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Joined: Dec 2015
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Unfortunately your assessment, while it appears logical on the surface, isn't what happened. At the moment of truth when it was time to liquidate under RAH, ALL the stakeholders were together in Indy (Airbus, GECAS, etc...and pilots) and it was a matter we ALL took a haircut to make it work. Obviously you were not on property at the time otherwise you wouldn't have made such a simplified statement.
Your second paragraph, as it happens, is also disingenuous. All the guys hired since 2013 who are now captains are going to make more money in the long run than any FO hired after 2005. For me I was an FO almost 9 years. I would happily trade that, even with our current, appalling, and way out of date contract created after the Great Depression, Part II.
So stop ****ing on the past, it's a waste of time and doesn't serve any purpose. Right now we need to focus on getting paid what we deserve in 2017 and prepare for the inevitable strike.
Your second paragraph, as it happens, is also disingenuous. All the guys hired since 2013 who are now captains are going to make more money in the long run than any FO hired after 2005. For me I was an FO almost 9 years. I would happily trade that, even with our current, appalling, and way out of date contract created after the Great Depression, Part II.
So stop ****ing on the past, it's a waste of time and doesn't serve any purpose. Right now we need to focus on getting paid what we deserve in 2017 and prepare for the inevitable strike.
The duration of it was/is WAY too long. I completely agree with denpilot. And I was on property at the time.
03-11-2017 | 07:51 AM
#7213
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Duration was screwed up first by GD, Part II and the second period under RAH, which was supposed to be fixed with LOA 67 but the poorly worded document is not working, to say the least.
03-11-2017 | 08:12 AM
#7215
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03-11-2017 | 03:01 PM
#7216
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Joined: Feb 2010
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From: A320/CA
A comment and a question.
Comment: Let's all keep in mind that hourly wage is not the end all to compensation. Some things may be pretty good (vacation trip touch and ability to downward adjust ones schedule) and some things just awful (insurance and retirement come to mind).
Question: On this forum, I hear a lot of discussion about who are our peers that we are 'going into the pattern' with. What we think doesn't matter much. What does the negotiating committee think? Do they think the peers are ULCC and LCC or do they also include Legacy carriers and cargo (Fedex and UPS) carriers?
And on a personal note, I agree with those that think it's about flying an aircraft with 230 souls on board regardless of what the company has chosen for their marketing strategy. If anything, a lower cost per available seat mile should indicate a higher profit margin which should allow the Company to pay higher wages to all employee groups across the board. It's trickle down economics in microcosm! Right? LOL
Comment: Let's all keep in mind that hourly wage is not the end all to compensation. Some things may be pretty good (vacation trip touch and ability to downward adjust ones schedule) and some things just awful (insurance and retirement come to mind).
Question: On this forum, I hear a lot of discussion about who are our peers that we are 'going into the pattern' with. What we think doesn't matter much. What does the negotiating committee think? Do they think the peers are ULCC and LCC or do they also include Legacy carriers and cargo (Fedex and UPS) carriers?
And on a personal note, I agree with those that think it's about flying an aircraft with 230 souls on board regardless of what the company has chosen for their marketing strategy. If anything, a lower cost per available seat mile should indicate a higher profit margin which should allow the Company to pay higher wages to all employee groups across the board. It's trickle down economics in microcosm! Right? LOL
03-11-2017 | 05:52 PM
#7217
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Joined: Jun 2016
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A comment and a question.
Comment: Let's all keep in mind that hourly wage is not the end all to compensation. Some things may be pretty good (vacation trip touch and ability to downward adjust ones schedule) and some things just awful (insurance and retirement come to mind).
Question: On this forum, I hear a lot of discussion about who are our peers that we are 'going into the pattern' with. What we think doesn't matter much. What does the negotiating committee think? Do they think the peers are ULCC and LCC or do they also include Legacy carriers and cargo (Fedex and UPS) carriers?
And on a personal note, I agree with those that think it's about flying an aircraft with 230 souls on board regardless of what the company has chosen for their marketing strategy. If anything, a lower cost per available seat mile should indicate a higher profit margin which should allow the Company to pay higher wages to all employee groups across the board. It's trickle down economics in microcosm! Right? LOL
Comment: Let's all keep in mind that hourly wage is not the end all to compensation. Some things may be pretty good (vacation trip touch and ability to downward adjust ones schedule) and some things just awful (insurance and retirement come to mind).
Question: On this forum, I hear a lot of discussion about who are our peers that we are 'going into the pattern' with. What we think doesn't matter much. What does the negotiating committee think? Do they think the peers are ULCC and LCC or do they also include Legacy carriers and cargo (Fedex and UPS) carriers?
And on a personal note, I agree with those that think it's about flying an aircraft with 230 souls on board regardless of what the company has chosen for their marketing strategy. If anything, a lower cost per available seat mile should indicate a higher profit margin which should allow the Company to pay higher wages to all employee groups across the board. It's trickle down economics in microcosm! Right? LOL
I would suggest a few on here ask someone from our negotiating committee what pay they're looking at. Avg vs standard, etc..
03-11-2017 | 06:52 PM
#7218
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Joined: May 2012
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Or you could just look at the info and graphs comparing us to the industry the union has sent out multiple times already...
Are spirit and allegiant on their? Yep. How about United, Delta, American, JetBlue, and Southwest? Yeah those are there too. Looks like they've got all US narrowbody scheduled 121 operators on the charts. No cargo airlines.
Are spirit and allegiant on their? Yep. How about United, Delta, American, JetBlue, and Southwest? Yeah those are there too. Looks like they've got all US narrowbody scheduled 121 operators on the charts. No cargo airlines.
03-11-2017 | 09:30 PM
#7219
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