I like BIG Bus

Aero, you and your alter ego coolaid are starting to show your true colors.

fcoolaiddrinker

Im not aero. Nice try.

Bolo

People want to hear and believe what they want. Quote above is right, nothing more, nothing less. F9 has done this for quite sometime.
This company cannot properly staff anything! Sometimes too thin on pilots sometimes too much. They could not staff properly a taco stand!
Quit getting to the point that the "sky is falling" mentality. Quit whining about growth,upgrades etc. Everything is cyclical. Good times and bad.
If they promise you two year upgrades, take it with a grain of salt, pure and simple. If you do not like what you hear then go somewhere else and do not let the door hit you on the way out.
I am not trying to be insensitive, but try to put yourselves in the shoes of our pilots who could not upgrade for 8+ years because of bankruptcy and other maladies. I do not think they want to hear your whining about COLAS and "I was promised a two year upgrade" BS!

livetofly2123

Why are there furloughs if they are still interviewing new candidates?

Mugatu

Short term and long term needs are independent of each other. It's a stroke of the pen to offer someone a month off if they want vs the several months long process of hiring someone till they are released to the line. Trying to match hiring with airplane delivery is a "best guess" attempt.

I like BIG Bus

Voluntary month long furloughs is my pet name for them. They're actually called COLAs as in company offered leaves of absence. But the intent is the same. Lowered block hours means they have too many pilots on hand. So, due to the reduction in flying, they have to reduce the staffing, "for now". Which they have done for the last three months. As for hiring. We didn't hire at all through the summer so they are going to need to get people into the process. I thought I saw on another thread that we don't have any interview dates set up going forward. Can anyone attest to that being fact or fiction?

I like BIG Bus

So which is it, aircraft delivery delays, or is it something that has always been done. Misinformation is easy. You just have to put something out there, get someone to bite on it and then they'll tell two friends, and so on, and so on. We all know that this place is not being managed right now for longevity. So saying they can't staff properly is saying they are trying to staff properly. They are staffing for profit. To say they have always done it is also rediculous because it's been taken over by different people and they haven't done monthly voluntary furloughs until recently. Didn't happen last year, and didn't happen the year before. Stating that people are saying the sky is falling is really missing the point and a sad attempt at marginalizing an opinion. I have already stated I believe that indigo wants to make money, and grow. I'm not "whining" about upgrades. Again, attacking words meant to minimize and isolate my thoughts on the issues. My intent is to make sure people that are thinking about coming to Frontier aren't buying into the propeganda to justify coming here for below industry wages and compensation. You are NOT going to upgrade in 2 years and reserve is getting longer. You want that MCO domicile, you're gonna wait. That's one of the domiciles getting I think 6 FO voluntary furloughs for November. I'm here to contradict the destructive Rose colored glasses view, and give a dose of reality. You're obviously reading my past posts since I didn't bring up upgrades recently, make sure to read everything. I also am spring loaded to distrust anyone toting the company agenda. I am actively trying to leave, and believe me, I won't let the door hit me. I am also actively involved in trying to better our situation here. I feel for the people that got stuck on long reserves here, and waited 9 to 10 years for upgrade. That was a different company though and different times. Bringing that up just shows your bitterness and has no bearing on the current times. Yes people stagnate and guys at American waited 18 years for upgrade, still not an argument for this. The people you're talking about already work here, this isn't for them. It's on the FRONTIER HIRING thread. This is for people contemplating F9 as a job prospect. Southwest is going to hire 1000 pilots next year. Their FOs make more than our captains. Wouldn't you want to put more effort into going there presently, instead of here. I'm trying to help people to make an educated decision now, because interviewing, and starting over, and first year pay, and reserve, and commuting are hard things to deal with. It's not easy to jump from airline to airline and start over. You also might not get the opportunity to move on. Make sure you're making the right decision to come here. That is all.

Missed Appch

Well said.

InThisTogether

It's just a numbers game. Do the math on how much money they'll save by offering this COLA. It's about 100,000 dollars for that month.

In regards to Airbus deliveries, I've seen the official numbers. Multiple line pilots and a retired pilot who does all of the deliveries showed them to me. We will almost double in size by 2020.

The BAD NEWS is that after 2020, most of our current leases expire and we will start SHRINKING AGAIN. They have ZER0 deleveris scheduled after 2020, they have none on order and they aren't seeking any.

Aero1900

I believe the year is 2022, not 2020, but you are right. There are no orders scheduled after that. I think this management team doesn't plan on being here after that.