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Old 09-13-2017 | 09:03 AM
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Settle down, Beavis. Lots of conjecture for your first post.

First, who cares where they interview? Second, you "heard" they ask about striking? Did it come directly from somebody that was asked that question in an interview? I doubt it. Third, the "cronies" are trying to hire the best people they can find that are willing to do the job. I'm pretty sure the intierciewers are line pilots that want to help ensure we at least get to work with good people. Lastly, we are taking a stand. 100% approval and a group that knows the best way to stand up is go to work, do your job and trust in the NC and the process.
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Old 09-13-2017 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyVectorMCO
Heard they interviewed in the 3rd party training center today . after the "poke the bear" commentary crisis mgmt kicked all pilots out. They no longer want them in the HQ because recruits see how disgusting and disfunctional the CPO is like I saw when I was there recently. The CP and his cronies run the interviews and I heard they asked if they would be willing to strike if hired !! Illegal ! We have traitors from the line supporting this process . The pilot recruiter with the "alternative lifestyle" they have is epically far up the CPO's a** and dosent know sh*t about the company or the job. COO and his car, CPO and it's sexual deviance, Inflight and their social experiments. I really question my decision sometimes ! When do we finally take a stand against this crap ??
. This looks like baiting to me. Who in management hired you to post this? We are all doing just fine properly doing our job and waiting to eventually be release. Being released is what will make Franke sh!t, and nothing else before. Yawn...
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Old 09-13-2017 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyVectorMCO
Heard they interviewed in the 3rd party training center today . after the "poke the bear" commentary crisis mgmt kicked all pilots out. They no longer want them in the HQ because recruits see how disgusting and disfunctional the CPO is like I saw when I was there recently. The CP and his cronies run the interviews and I heard they asked if they would be willing to strike if hired !! Illegal ! We have traitors from the line supporting this process . The pilot recruiter with the "alternative lifestyle" they have is epically far up the CPO's a** and dosent know sh*t about the company or the job. COO and his car, CPO and it's sexual deviance, Inflight and their social experiments. I really question my decision sometimes ! When do we finally take a stand against this crap ??
Hey mgmt scum [email protected]'re not baiting anyone here. Get back to doing what you do best, which is NOTHING! Or maybe you're the special recruiter that you mentioned!! Pu$$y
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Old 09-13-2017 | 02:53 PM
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Talk about being eaten by your own ! I was making an observation based on both what I have heard and what I have seen during my time. I don't need to be attacked ! I am not and I find it offensive that I'm on the same team and I am being insulted by my colleagues . I don't work for the HQ or management or recruiting , I want what most on here want . Obviously a new 'ish guy isn't entitled to his opinion or given any credence on this forum . Yes I'm opinioned just like all you all are . Lesson learned.
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Old 09-13-2017 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyVectorMCO
Talk about being eaten by your own ! I was making an observation based on both what I have heard and what I have seen during my time. I don't need to be attacked ! I am not and I find it offensive that I'm on the same team and I am being insulted by my colleagues . I don't work for the HQ or management or recruiting , I want what most on here want . Obviously a new 'ish guy isn't entitled to his opinion or given any credence on this forum . Yes I'm opinioned just like all you all are . Lesson learned.
Here is the thing as you have probably realized by now. We are following our MEC guidance and doing our jobs without giving management any ammo that can be used against us. It is frustrating and we all get it, but we need to keep going the course and refrain from putting comments like this.
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Old 09-13-2017 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyVectorMCO
Talk about being eaten by your own ! I was making an observation based on both what I have heard and what I have seen during my time. I don't need to be attacked ! I am not and I find it offensive that I'm on the same team and I am being insulted by my colleagues . I don't work for the HQ or management or recruiting , I want what most on here want . Obviously a new 'ish guy isn't entitled to his opinion or given any credence on this forum . Yes I'm opinioned just like all you all are . Lesson learned.
A lot of the responses to your post are "backhanded" compliments in a way. Phoenix is absolutely right and please take his advice to heart. Posts from this forum and others have put TROs on Spirit and UAL in the past. This is playing into the company's hands because it gives them extra time the pilots have to work under your current contract. They have bean counters that know exactly - down to the cent per day that F9 pilots cost to fly the schedule. ANYTHING that prolongs that "discount" is money in their pocket.
Do NOT be silent - make your thoughts known to your reps at LEC meetings or shoot them an email/better yet call them. But to put them here only invites management to take advantage of your emotions and convert them into bucks in their pocket.
I imagine this is your first real Section 6 and the learning curve is steep.
Keep your powder dry - let the MEC (NC) speak for you and fly your schedule. Until the NMB has released you into the cooling off period there is nothing else you can do. Find an effective and healthy outlet for the built up stress and it will help immensely.

In unity from a fellow ALPA pilot.....
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Old 09-13-2017 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
A lot of the responses to your post are "backhanded" compliments in a way. Phoenix is absolutely right and please take his advice to heart. Posts from this forum and others have put TROs on Spirit and UAL in the past. This is playing into the company's hands because it gives them extra time the pilots have to work under your current contract. They have bean counters that know exactly - down to the cent per day that F9 pilots cost to fly the schedule. ANYTHING that prolongs that "discount" is money in their pocket.
Do NOT be silent - make your thoughts known to your reps at LEC meetings or shoot them an email/better yet call them. But to put them here only invites management to take advantage of your emotions and convert them into bucks in their pocket.
I imagine this is your first real Section 6 and the learning curve is steep.
Keep your powder dry - let the MEC (NC) speak for you and fly your schedule. Until the NMB has released you into the cooling off period there is nothing else you can do. Find an effective and healthy outlet for the built up stress and it will help immensely.

In unity from a fellow ALPA pilot.....
I think it's pretty cool that you take the time to give insight and moral support to us Shrek. Thank you.
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Old 09-14-2017 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by sulkair
I think it's pretty cool that you take the time to give insight and moral support to us Shrek. Thank you.

I'm ready for the next picket that allows other airlines to join the line

If I was just an ALPA pilot it would be because of "pattern bargaining" and general support.
But I have many close childhood friends that are among you guys. I see it firsthand the frustration and angst that the rest of the industry has moved on from bankruptcy era contracts. I have seen the former Frontier twisted and distorted into what ULCCs are today. Those friends were here and lived through the transition to "just another airline" and it was hard to watch.
As a narrowbody FO I should not be making more than Checkairman at Frontier not to mention medical, 401K and other work rules being light years ahead. I see the struggle to send their kids to college - buy houses - fund retirement - ya know life stuff. When the time comes for strike assessments I will be first in line to donate to the cause. It is long passed due that you and your entire pilot group gets a little out of what they have put into this airline.
Take care brutha.....
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Old 09-14-2017 | 03:18 PM
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Thanks for your support shrek, we're gonna need all of it we can get. After this last LOA 67 negotiating session, I don't know why anybody in there right mind would ever want to get hired here.

www.frontierpilotfacts.com for those who haven't seen it.

Hopefully they'll continue adding to it.

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Old 09-14-2017 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyVectorMCO
Talk about being eaten by your own ! I was making an observation based on both what I have heard and what I have seen during my time. I don't need to be attacked ! I am not and I find it offensive that I'm on the same team and I am being insulted by my colleagues . I don't work for the HQ or management or recruiting , I want what most on here want . Obviously a new 'ish guy isn't entitled to his opinion or given any credence on this forum . Yes I'm opinioned just like all you all are . Lesson learned.
My comments were out of line. There are much more constructive ways to voice frustration to you other than the ones I chose. Please accept my apology. However, just a suggestion, but as heated as things are right now, I think the only thing we should be doing is taking the lead set forth by the MEC. The 'I heard this and that' and rumor mongering just isn't useful. Let's kick back and watch this train wreck happen. Our union is straight-up with us. Period. I feel very informed, and that is power and it promotes unity. We will prevail!
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