Do us all a favor and go to the job fares and tell candidates face to face with your assessment!

 

That's what I'm seeing, that's what I was getting at. Time and numbers. 306 to be exact!
I do agree that the health care is not setup for a large family with all the surcharges. The insurance here is leaves much to be desired to say the least for family's.

 

Can I even go to job fairs, I'm not a SkyWest FO...
Sorry, couldn't resist...just a joke guys...
Trust me, I've done my share of talking to people seeking info on coming to frontier. I've even used a silver bullet. I make sure I give them the whole skinny, the good the bad and the ugly. The one thing I can't convey though, is the utter disdain the upper management and decision makers have for the pilot group. When you finally realize that, it's an eye opener. Bad pay, poor hotels, ho-hum lines, training contract, pay for your own hotel in training, unfathomably bad health insurance, easily manipulated grievance policies, archaic retirement, no travel language even though it's clearly stated to be reopened in the contract if they get a base other than Denver, the fact that it's everybody's first day at all the stations. All of these things can be fixed with time, contract language and other means. But you cannot change the arrogant condescension the higher ups have for the line employees here. No amount of vacation sliding can atone for that.

And...
For goodness sake, Turbo, I said added to the list.... yes we've hired 300+ but have only added 150 to the seniority list.
1150-1000=150. Half the list here isn't going anywhere, we need to add a lot more for people here to get 2 yr upgrades continuing into the future. My point was to be skeptical of numbers for growth and upgrades coming from this company. I find them to be dubious at this point and time. I think you even found the forecast numbers for the rest of the year wanting. What they say and what they do are two different things. This is getting a little contrived. I'll see you guys at the next PUB event, picket or Whatever our future holds.
Cheers-

 

Big Bus I'm no cool aid drinker at all, but the cold hard truth is i bid 49% in Denver after 16 months. That's a lot movement. A lot more than just attrition.
I agree with most everything else you said though.
As far as health care goes it's expensive for a family. But as far as coverage goes it's good. My child has to see two specialist sometimes three every other month. we've never had any issues with specialist or required procedures. But yes, the surcharges need to go.

 

I too, have benefited from attrition and utilization, but that's us and that isn't growth. Half the list here isn't going anywhere and the numbers don't match up. When are you projecting to upgrade? Myself, I'd guess 3+ for me and 4+ for your group. And I'm being very hopeful.
-Cheers

 

It's easy to understand the numbers. If management says we're adding 10 planes expect 5 and if they say it's a 2 year upgrade it's probably 4. Just multiply or divide by 2 in which ever way is worse for you.

 

However, I am confused by the payday update hiring numbers? Vegas trying to hit 100 crews by January or February, I would have thought at least 25 a month till next summer slow down.
I guess we'll just wait and see what the actual numbers are. There wasn't even supposed to be a August class but they threw 15 in there.
Who knows.

 

Well.... I've been reading these forums I have an interview coming up. Can people PM me some suggestions. I've read all the negative. I have to upgrade out of my current situation though. United, American and NASA to lazy to call me lol. So I have a date with Almighty F9. Which I'm excited to hopefully be part of the team. So anyone that's looking to clue a potential new Co worker in on daily life not just the downers hit me up please.

 

http://frontierpilotfacts.com/

 

Well there ya go. Great site.

I heard some people in one of my daughter's dance class talking about not buying tickets on Frontier for their holiday travels due to the negotiations situation.