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03-10-2017, 09:07 PM
#7201
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
Option 2 won't be an option.
Indigo has already been through a strike. They realize there won't be enough scabs to continue on as a viable entity. They also realize the flying won't be picked up by charter companies, nobody picked it up for them during the Spirit strike.
Indigo has already been through a strike. They realize there won't be enough scabs to continue on as a viable entity. They also realize the flying won't be picked up by charter companies, nobody picked it up for them during the Spirit strike.
03-10-2017, 09:22 PM
#7202
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I worked for a charter company and our company was called to fly for spirit when on strike. Our CP said no way to management so no one flew a flight for them but spirit sure tried to get other companies to fly for them
03-10-2017, 10:13 PM
#7203
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Originally Posted by denpilot
ugh, such a disgusting attitude. No airline, and i repeat, no airline, has ever gone out of business because of what they had to pay their pilots. The pay cuts you took were pennies in the bucket to the overall operating cost of the airline. quit being delusional. You didn't save anything. You made a decision out of fear and irrationality to keep a check in your pocket. Not only that, you negotiated awful terms on getting that money back. Who in their right mind would look back and say the paycuts taken were done with the pilots' best interest in mind 5 years down the road?
oh, and it is the junior pilots that are affected most. Our first year pilots make less than a regional airline first year fo. Funny, because i only ever hear this tripe from folks on the top 100 of the list. You know, the guys who had a 6 month upgrade here.
oh, and it is the junior pilots that are affected most. Our first year pilots make less than a regional airline first year fo. Funny, because i only ever hear this tripe from folks on the top 100 of the list. You know, the guys who had a 6 month upgrade here.
03-11-2017, 12:34 AM
#7204
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
Falcon Air operated a flight during the strike, so they did make an attempt to cover struck work.
They assumed they'd continue flying via contract carriers, scabs and breaking the unions back.
It didn't happen and it won't happen this time.
03-11-2017, 07:38 AM
#7205
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
Ugh, such a disgusting attitude. NO AIRLINE, and I repeat, NO AIRLINE, has ever gone out of business because of what they had to pay their pilots. The pay cuts you took were pennies in the bucket to the overall operating cost of the airline. Quit being delusional. You didn't save anything. You made a decision out of fear and irrationality to keep a check in your pocket. Not only that, you negotiated AWFUL terms on getting that money back. Who in their right mind would look back and say the paycuts taken were done with the pilots' best interest in mind 5 years down the road?
Oh, and it is the junior pilots that are affected most. Our first year pilots make less than a regional airline first year FO. Funny, because I only ever hear this tripe from folks on the top 100 of the list. You know, the guys who had a 6 month upgrade here.
Oh, and it is the junior pilots that are affected most. Our first year pilots make less than a regional airline first year FO. Funny, because I only ever hear this tripe from folks on the top 100 of the list. You know, the guys who had a 6 month upgrade here.
Stop ****ing on the past, it's a waste of time and doesn't serve any purpose. Right now we need to focus on getting paid what we deserve in 2017 and prepare for the inevitable strike.
Last edited by Mugatu; 03-11-2017 at 07:49 AM.
03-11-2017, 07:49 AM
#7206
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Originally Posted by Mugatu
Unfortunately your assessment, while it appears logical on the surface, isn't what happened. At the moment of truth when it was time to liquidate under RAH, ALL the stakeholders were together in Indy (Airbus, GECAS, etc...and pilots) and it was a matter we ALL took a haircut to make it work. Obviously you were not on property at the time otherwise you wouldn't have made such a simplified statement.
Your second paragraph, as it happens, is also disingenuous. All the guys hired since 2013 who are now captains are going to make more money in the long run than any FO hired after 2005. For me I was an FO almost 9 years. I would happily trade that, even with our current, appalling, and way out of date contract created after the Great Depression, Part II.
So stop ****ing on the past, it's a waste of time and doesn't serve any purpose. Right now we need to focus on getting paid what we deserve in 2017 and prepare for the inevitable strike.
Your second paragraph, as it happens, is also disingenuous. All the guys hired since 2013 who are now captains are going to make more money in the long run than any FO hired after 2005. For me I was an FO almost 9 years. I would happily trade that, even with our current, appalling, and way out of date contract created after the Great Depression, Part II.
So stop ****ing on the past, it's a waste of time and doesn't serve any purpose. Right now we need to focus on getting paid what we deserve in 2017 and prepare for the inevitable strike.
The duration of it was/is WAY too long. I completely agree with denpilot. And I was on property at the time.
03-11-2017, 07:51 AM
#7207
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Originally Posted by Missed Appch
The duration of it was/is WAY too long. I completely agree with denpilot. And I was on property at the time.
03-11-2017, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Missed Appch
For sure Mug, could not agree more.
I edited my first post cuz it was kinda pointless. What's important now is negotiations, supporting our NC and each other, and preparing for a strike. It's time to get paid.
03-11-2017, 03:01 PM
#7210
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A comment and a question.
Comment: Let's all keep in mind that hourly wage is not the end all to compensation. Some things may be pretty good (vacation trip touch and ability to downward adjust ones schedule) and some things just awful (insurance and retirement come to mind).
Question: On this forum, I hear a lot of discussion about who are our peers that we are 'going into the pattern' with. What we think doesn't matter much. What does the negotiating committee think? Do they think the peers are ULCC and LCC or do they also include Legacy carriers and cargo (Fedex and UPS) carriers?
And on a personal note, I agree with those that think it's about flying an aircraft with 230 souls on board regardless of what the company has chosen for their marketing strategy. If anything, a lower cost per available seat mile should indicate a higher profit margin which should allow the Company to pay higher wages to all employee groups across the board. It's trickle down economics in microcosm! Right? LOL
Comment: Let's all keep in mind that hourly wage is not the end all to compensation. Some things may be pretty good (vacation trip touch and ability to downward adjust ones schedule) and some things just awful (insurance and retirement come to mind).
Question: On this forum, I hear a lot of discussion about who are our peers that we are 'going into the pattern' with. What we think doesn't matter much. What does the negotiating committee think? Do they think the peers are ULCC and LCC or do they also include Legacy carriers and cargo (Fedex and UPS) carriers?
And on a personal note, I agree with those that think it's about flying an aircraft with 230 souls on board regardless of what the company has chosen for their marketing strategy. If anything, a lower cost per available seat mile should indicate a higher profit margin which should allow the Company to pay higher wages to all employee groups across the board. It's trickle down economics in microcosm! Right? LOL
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