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06-07-2018, 05:06 PM
#8763
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Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer
FOs still go once a year... it’s just 2 days no matter what... I think aqp is 9 months for everyone
AQP varies from airline to airline. At my previous job AQP was once a year for everyone, with two sim sessions on consecutive days. Sim 1 was maneuver validation, basically practicing lots of v1 cuts, and all kinds of ILS approaches with missed approaches and a landing here and there, stalls, and unusual attitude recoveries. Sim 2 was a LOFT and practicing a couple more things. It was a very neat program.
06-07-2018, 06:17 PM
#8764
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Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 187
Aqp is worthless! Rolling PC/PT is way way more productive use of sim time! Unless you don’t care about improving as a pilot, and just want an easy checkride...then aqp is better...both Fo’s and Ca’s should go every 6 months though. I can agree with that at least.
06-07-2018, 06:30 PM
#8765
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Position: F9 FO
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Originally Posted by sab1250
Aqp is worthless! Rolling PC/PT is way way more productive use of sim time! Unless you don’t care about improving as a pilot, and just want an easy checkride...then aqp is better...both Fo’s and Ca’s should go every 6 months though. I can agree with that at least.
If so, coal jobs are coming back and flip phones are the future of communications!
How about we practice the stuff we never do; stalls, steep turns, terrain avoidance, etc, and have jeopardy events on what we do every single day. F9 is in the stone age of reccurent training.
06-07-2018, 07:09 PM
#8766
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Originally Posted by sab1250
Aqp is worthless! Rolling PC/PT is way way more productive use of sim time! Unless you don’t care about improving as a pilot, and just want an easy checkride...then aqp is better...both Fo’s and Ca’s should go every 6 months though. I can agree with that at least.
06-07-2018, 07:15 PM
#8767
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Position: KCCO
Posts: 767
Originally Posted by sab1250
Aqp is worthless! Rolling PC/PT is way way more productive use of sim time! Unless you don’t care about improving as a pilot, and just want an easy checkride...then aqp is better...both Fo’s and Ca’s should go every 6 months though. I can agree with that at least.
06-08-2018, 10:06 AM
#8768
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Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 187
I guess I went through a poorly run aqp program then. Mine was every 9 months both CAs and FOs went, 2 day event. Day one standard pc. Day 2 loft with a standard line turn with 1 or 2 problems...ie hydraulic failure or something similar...that’s it. Much less training then I have received at this airline and another that ran PC/PT. You can accomplish a LOT more in a proper PT in my experience, but like I said, maybe I’ve just never seen a proper AQP program.
06-09-2018, 07:38 AM
#8769
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Posts: 224
Originally Posted by sab1250
Aqp is worthless! Rolling PC/PT is way way more productive use of sim time! Unless you don’t care about improving as a pilot, and just want an easy checkride...then aqp is better...both Fo’s and Ca’s should go every 6 months though. I can agree with that at least.
What are you talking about? More productive? AQP is basically train on the things you are weak on until you get it right. How could that not be more productive than doing 1 v1 cut "to standards" once in 6 or 12 months? Obviously other people have commented already but seriously....where were you?
In any event. The FAA had mandated all airlines to have an AQP program by 2018 I believe. However, with recent budget cuts that is no longer the case with the FAA. Hence, we move forward with what we have. AQP is too expensive to switch to in the short term which is why Indigo has not made the switch. Hopefully that means they are only around for the short term.
06-09-2018, 09:54 AM
#8770
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Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 187
Like I said before, in the aqp program I went through, you got 1 emergency or abnormal situation to handle during a turn an that’s it....pointless. In a proper PT you can practice all kinds of things, which is very productive. Maybe if we go AQP it will be different then my experience.
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