Frontier Hiring.
12-07-2018, 03:15 PM
#9421
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[QUOTE=salmiaboy;2720695]
They are not covered in this TA. There were no changes from the previous agreement from what I understand. I have yet to actually read this part of the new TA, so I can't say it for absolute certainty. I will read this and will respond again. New hires are considered to be DEN based until assigned. There is nothing specifically prohibiting the company from offering them other than the fact that they have never done so in the past and they do not offer hotels to DEN based crews in training and with coming up with a new practice of offering new hires hotels they would also have to address the other issues.
Originally Posted by dracir1
Agreed. I was at ExpressJet before F9 and they paid for hotels.
Does the new language include hotels for new hires in this TA? I will apply once you guys have ratified or I’ll wait for next round.
Does the new language include hotels for new hires in this TA? I will apply once you guys have ratified or I’ll wait for next round.
12-07-2018, 03:34 PM
#9422
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[QUOTE=Gary et al;2720971]
They are not covered in this TA. There were no changes from the previous agreement from what I understand. I have yet to actually read this part of the new TA, so I can't say it for absolute certainty. I will read this and will respond again. New hires are considered to be DEN based until assigned. There is nothing specifically prohibiting the company from offering them other than the fact that they have never done so in the past and they do not offer hotels to DEN based crews in training and with coming up with a new practice of offering new hires hotels they would also have to address the other issues.
The only I’ve read is that at the ”companies discretion” they can raise new hire pay to 98.5% of second year pay, so low 100s. So they will probably do that or pay for hotels whichever is cheaper.
Originally Posted by salmiaboy
They are not covered in this TA. There were no changes from the previous agreement from what I understand. I have yet to actually read this part of the new TA, so I can't say it for absolute certainty. I will read this and will respond again. New hires are considered to be DEN based until assigned. There is nothing specifically prohibiting the company from offering them other than the fact that they have never done so in the past and they do not offer hotels to DEN based crews in training and with coming up with a new practice of offering new hires hotels they would also have to address the other issues.
12-11-2018, 07:20 AM
#9423
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[QUOTE=SFA320;2720983]
The only I’ve read is that at the ”companies discretion” they can raise new hire pay to 98.5% of second year pay, so low 100s. So they will probably do that or pay for hotels whichever is cheaper.
Potential new hires:
This is NOT HARD! Currently AND with the NEW TA, hotels are NOT a paid by the company. If/when the new TA is voted down, TA2 will probably not address/add new hire hotel rooms. Of course, it’s at company discretion to pay for these if ever / whenever they wish to. However, at the present time, neither the company nor the union cares about this.
Additionally, once hired, if you are based in Denver, whenever you have training, you will not receive a hotel room. If you are based at any other domicile (Vegas, MCO, Philly, etc) and are required to perform training in Denver, the company WILL provide hotel rooms.
There really shouldn’t be any more questions about this...
Originally Posted by Gary et al
The only I’ve read is that at the ”companies discretion” they can raise new hire pay to 98.5% of second year pay, so low 100s. So they will probably do that or pay for hotels whichever is cheaper.
This is NOT HARD! Currently AND with the NEW TA, hotels are NOT a paid by the company. If/when the new TA is voted down, TA2 will probably not address/add new hire hotel rooms. Of course, it’s at company discretion to pay for these if ever / whenever they wish to. However, at the present time, neither the company nor the union cares about this.
Additionally, once hired, if you are based in Denver, whenever you have training, you will not receive a hotel room. If you are based at any other domicile (Vegas, MCO, Philly, etc) and are required to perform training in Denver, the company WILL provide hotel rooms.
There really shouldn’t be any more questions about this...
12-11-2018, 07:59 AM
#9424
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And you’re automatically based in Denver during initial training so don’t expect hotels or per diem. I predict they won’t pay for hotels for a bit they will be flooded with new applicates for awhile because of the TA either way. Once the pool starts to dry up again it may change (12 months).
12-11-2018, 08:39 AM
#9425
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[QUOTE=dracir1;2723176]
Serious question...Do other airline contracts stipulate new hire hotels specifically? I mean is it there in black and white in the contract or do other airlines just pay for new hire hotels because it’s what they SHOULD do?
As an aside I think the fact that DEN based commuters still won’t get their hotel paid for while going to recurrent/upgrade training is a huge oversight by our NC.
Originally Posted by SFA320
Potential new hires:
This is NOT HARD! Currently AND with the NEW TA, hotels are NOT a paid by the company. If/when the new TA is voted down, TA2 will probably not address/add new hire hotel rooms. Of course, it’s at company discretion to pay for these if ever / whenever they wish to. However, at the present time, neither the company nor the union cares about this.
Additionally, once hired, if you are based in Denver, whenever you have training, you will not receive a hotel room. If you are based at any other domicile (Vegas, MCO, Philly, etc) and are required to perform training in Denver, the company WILL provide hotel rooms.
There really shouldn’t be any more questions about this...
This is NOT HARD! Currently AND with the NEW TA, hotels are NOT a paid by the company. If/when the new TA is voted down, TA2 will probably not address/add new hire hotel rooms. Of course, it’s at company discretion to pay for these if ever / whenever they wish to. However, at the present time, neither the company nor the union cares about this.
Additionally, once hired, if you are based in Denver, whenever you have training, you will not receive a hotel room. If you are based at any other domicile (Vegas, MCO, Philly, etc) and are required to perform training in Denver, the company WILL provide hotel rooms.
There really shouldn’t be any more questions about this...
As an aside I think the fact that DEN based commuters still won’t get their hotel paid for while going to recurrent/upgrade training is a huge oversight by our NC.
12-11-2018, 08:48 AM
#9426
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[QUOTE=Powderkeg;2723218]
Serious question...Do other airline contracts stipulate new hire hotels specifically? I mean is it there in black and white in the contract or do other airlines just pay for new hire hotels because it’s what they SHOULD do?
As an aside I think the fact that DEN based commuters still won’t get their hotel paid for while going to recurrent/upgrade training is a huge oversight by our NC.
Do you really have a question for the F9 community asking about other airlines hotels? How much homework should we do for you? Perhaps posing this question on other airline pages would help...
But to your point, it IS an oversight IMO. After working for this company for a few years now, I don’t put any cost saving measure past them.
Originally Posted by dracir1
Serious question...Do other airline contracts stipulate new hire hotels specifically? I mean is it there in black and white in the contract or do other airlines just pay for new hire hotels because it’s what they SHOULD do?
As an aside I think the fact that DEN based commuters still won’t get their hotel paid for while going to recurrent/upgrade training is a huge oversight by our NC.
But to your point, it IS an oversight IMO. After working for this company for a few years now, I don’t put any cost saving measure past them.
12-11-2018, 09:20 AM
#9428
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[QUOTE=dracir1;2723223]
Do you really have a question for the F9 community asking about other airlines hotels? How much homework should we do for you? Perhaps posing this question on other airline pages would help...
But to your point, it IS an oversight IMO. After working for this company for a few years now, I don’t put any cost saving measure past them.
“The F9 community”? “How much homework should we do”? GFY. I’m an F9 pilot, I AM the community. Take your “we” and shove it up your a$$.
I get the feeling our NC wasn’t as thorough as they needed to be in some areas and this was a question that was meant to help me validate or disprove that belief. If other airlines stipulate the company will pay for new hire hotels it’s one benefit that helps recruit individuals that might otherwise not apply to a place that doesn’t. I just hope that we start providing that benefit whether it’s spelled out in the contract or not. I’ve talked to several people in the past that would be great hires that refused to apply because of a hokey caveat like having to pay for their own lodging during training.
Originally Posted by Powderkeg
Do you really have a question for the F9 community asking about other airlines hotels? How much homework should we do for you? Perhaps posing this question on other airline pages would help...
But to your point, it IS an oversight IMO. After working for this company for a few years now, I don’t put any cost saving measure past them.
I get the feeling our NC wasn’t as thorough as they needed to be in some areas and this was a question that was meant to help me validate or disprove that belief. If other airlines stipulate the company will pay for new hire hotels it’s one benefit that helps recruit individuals that might otherwise not apply to a place that doesn’t. I just hope that we start providing that benefit whether it’s spelled out in the contract or not. I’ve talked to several people in the past that would be great hires that refused to apply because of a hokey caveat like having to pay for their own lodging during training.
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