Frontier Hiring.
12-05-2018 | 04:55 AM
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12-05-2018 | 05:55 AM
#9422
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...er/2163815002/
There's a whole thread about it on here. It seems now they've upped the ante and provided a voucher...
There's a whole thread about it on here. It seems now they've upped the ante and provided a voucher...
12-07-2018 | 09:11 AM
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[QUOTE=dracir1;2719240]Agreed. I was at ExpressJet before F9 and they paid for hotels.
Does the new language include hotels for new hires in this TA? I will apply once you guys have ratified or I’ll wait for next round.
Does the new language include hotels for new hires in this TA? I will apply once you guys have ratified or I’ll wait for next round.
12-07-2018 | 09:37 AM
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[QUOTE=salmiaboy;2720695]
Nothing in the TA mentions hotel/lodging for initial training. I suspect it is because the TA is an agreement between Frontier Airlines and the pilots ALPA represents. Probationary pilots are not represented by ALPA.
Someone else who is more familiar may chime in to help clarify.
Someone else who is more familiar may chime in to help clarify.
12-07-2018 | 09:43 AM
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[QUOTE=salmiaboy;2720695]
No
It only says the company will pay for hotels when a pilot travels away from domicile on company business. As a new hire you have no domicile so no guarantee they will pay. But nothing I can see prevents them from doing so.
Also, seems like current book prevails in that a DEN domiciled pilot that is a commuter is totally hosed in training months. Since you’re “in domicile” the pilot has to jumpseat to training and pay for their own lodging. Correct me if I’m wrong.
It only says the company will pay for hotels when a pilot travels away from domicile on company business. As a new hire you have no domicile so no guarantee they will pay. But nothing I can see prevents them from doing so.
Also, seems like current book prevails in that a DEN domiciled pilot that is a commuter is totally hosed in training months. Since you’re “in domicile” the pilot has to jumpseat to training and pay for their own lodging. Correct me if I’m wrong.
12-07-2018 | 12:15 PM
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[QUOTE=BlackhawkIP;2720708]
Nothing in the TA mentions hotel/lodging for initial training. I suspect it is because the TA is an agreement between Frontier Airlines and the pilots ALPA represents. Probationary pilots are not represented by ALPA.
Someone else who is more familiar may chime in to help clarify.
Not really. Pilots in new hire training are not technically pilot employees under the RLA, they only become pilot employees after their first leg of revenue flying after IOE. Probationary pilots are still covered by the contract and as such are represented as ALPA. The only restriction is they are not included in the protections under the discipline section.
I think the real reason for it not being included is along the same lines as why first year pay is so low. The union wasn't willing to spend negotiating capital to attract new hires. That's the company's job, hence the ability for the company to increase first year pay. I assume the company will pay for hotels if and when it deems it necessary to attract new hires.
Nothing in the TA mentions hotel/lodging for initial training. I suspect it is because the TA is an agreement between Frontier Airlines and the pilots ALPA represents. Probationary pilots are not represented by ALPA.
Someone else who is more familiar may chime in to help clarify.
I think the real reason for it not being included is along the same lines as why first year pay is so low. The union wasn't willing to spend negotiating capital to attract new hires. That's the company's job, hence the ability for the company to increase first year pay. I assume the company will pay for hotels if and when it deems it necessary to attract new hires.
12-07-2018 | 03:15 PM
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[QUOTE=salmiaboy;2720695]They are not covered in this TA. There were no changes from the previous agreement from what I understand. I have yet to actually read this part of the new TA, so I can't say it for absolute certainty. I will read this and will respond again. New hires are considered to be DEN based until assigned. There is nothing specifically prohibiting the company from offering them other than the fact that they have never done so in the past and they do not offer hotels to DEN based crews in training and with coming up with a new practice of offering new hires hotels they would also have to address the other issues.
12-07-2018 | 03:34 PM
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[QUOTE=Gary et al;2720971]
They are not covered in this TA. There were no changes from the previous agreement from what I understand. I have yet to actually read this part of the new TA, so I can't say it for absolute certainty. I will read this and will respond again. New hires are considered to be DEN based until assigned. There is nothing specifically prohibiting the company from offering them other than the fact that they have never done so in the past and they do not offer hotels to DEN based crews in training and with coming up with a new practice of offering new hires hotels they would also have to address the other issues.
The only I’ve read is that at the ”companies discretion” they can raise new hire pay to 98.5% of second year pay, so low 100s. So they will probably do that or pay for hotels whichever is cheaper.
They are not covered in this TA. There were no changes from the previous agreement from what I understand. I have yet to actually read this part of the new TA, so I can't say it for absolute certainty. I will read this and will respond again. New hires are considered to be DEN based until assigned. There is nothing specifically prohibiting the company from offering them other than the fact that they have never done so in the past and they do not offer hotels to DEN based crews in training and with coming up with a new practice of offering new hires hotels they would also have to address the other issues.
12-11-2018 | 07:20 AM
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[QUOTE=SFA320;2720983]
Potential new hires:
This is NOT HARD! Currently AND with the NEW TA, hotels are NOT a paid by the company. If/when the new TA is voted down, TA2 will probably not address/add new hire hotel rooms. Of course, it’s at company discretion to pay for these if ever / whenever they wish to. However, at the present time, neither the company nor the union cares about this.
Additionally, once hired, if you are based in Denver, whenever you have training, you will not receive a hotel room. If you are based at any other domicile (Vegas, MCO, Philly, etc) and are required to perform training in Denver, the company WILL provide hotel rooms.
There really shouldn’t be any more questions about this...
This is NOT HARD! Currently AND with the NEW TA, hotels are NOT a paid by the company. If/when the new TA is voted down, TA2 will probably not address/add new hire hotel rooms. Of course, it’s at company discretion to pay for these if ever / whenever they wish to. However, at the present time, neither the company nor the union cares about this.
Additionally, once hired, if you are based in Denver, whenever you have training, you will not receive a hotel room. If you are based at any other domicile (Vegas, MCO, Philly, etc) and are required to perform training in Denver, the company WILL provide hotel rooms.
There really shouldn’t be any more questions about this...
12-11-2018 | 07:59 AM
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And you’re automatically based in Denver during initial training so don’t expect hotels or per diem. I predict they won’t pay for hotels for a bit they will be flooded with new applicates for awhile because of the TA either way. Once the pool starts to dry up again it may change (12 months).
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