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11-18-2018 | 06:29 AM
#9381
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Joined: Apr 2017
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Man, Excargo I now know why I had you on my ingnore list. Your condescending attitude is more than I can stomach. Why don’t you come done off your high horse and look at reality. Most regional captains will take a pay cut no matter where they go. Especially if they have been at their regionals for 5+ years. I remember when I started at my regional just a little over 5 years ago, I flew with over 15 captains that had recently turned down legacy jobs because of the steep pay cut. What are you saying on the UPS, FEDEX, and Hawaiian forums? Man they must hate new hires more than us!!! Well to be fair FEDEXs first year pay will be slightly higher than F9 if our AIP passes. I think “companies discretion” it not the best, but certainly not the worst. At least they have the dang option! UPS and Hawaiian don’t have that option as far as I’m aware. Geez even Delta doesn’t have that great of a deal for newbies for the first few months. Anyhow I have nothing else to say on the matter. Maybe I should just ingore you again.
11-18-2018 | 06:45 AM
#9383
Perennial Reserve
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 14,081
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As far as I’m concerned there is not a single regional paying FOs more than $56 an hour first year so it’s acutally way higher than regional FO pay. If you want to count bonuses that’s fine and when F9 can’t hire the 100s of regional FOs that will be flocking to here with a new contract I’m sure they will have a signing bonus as well.
Now you can TRY to justify that, but it just makes you look silly. The pilot's group has played the new hire pay issue for their own purposes just as cynically as management has played the rest of the pilots and it's even more cynical to pretend any different. To do that to them and then make protestations that they are somehow being disloyal to the rest of the group by even putting in an application is pure chutzpah.
Worse yet, screwing your junior people is not a good way to instill unity and group loyalty.
Last edited by Excargodog; 11-18-2018 at 06:59 AM.
11-18-2018 | 06:48 AM
#9384
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Joined: Jan 2018
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But how long has it been $39 in your current CBA, and what have the REST of the pilots tried to do to raise it.
Seems to me you've sent the message to every new hire that you don't value them. That's a strange way to build group unity.
11-18-2018 | 06:56 AM
#9385
Perennial Reserve
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 14,081
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Man, Excargo I now know why I had you on my ingnore list. Your condescending attitude is more than I can stomach. Why don’t you come down off your high horse and look at reality. Most regional captains will take a pay cut no matter where they go. Especially if they have been at their regionals for 5+ years. I remember when I started at my regional just a little over 5 years ago, I flew with over 15 captains that had recently turned down legacy jobs because of the steep pay cut. What are you saying on the UPS, FEDEX, and Hawaiian forums? Man they must hate new hires more than us!!! Well to be fair FEDEXs first year pay will be slightly higher than F9 if our AIP passes. I think “companies discretion” it not the best, but certainly not the worst. At least they have the dang option! UPS and Hawaiian don’t have that option as far as I’m aware. Geez even Delta doesn’t have that great of a deal for newbies for the first few months. Anyhow I have nothing else to say on the matter. Maybe I should just ingore you again.
Perhaps you should since you are avoiding addressing the point - what this does to your group unity when you tell every single newcomer that you are n't going to "waste" any of your negotiating capital on him/her.
You can use ad hominem attacks on me, and you can justify a bad policy with other bad policies, but you haven't changed the fact - or even addressed it - that the other pilots have been complicit in allowing the management to screw the newbies. You can of course just ignore that fact, but that doesn't change the effect that has on the newbies. It simply tells them it's not really about fairness or group unity - not really - it's every man for himself. And you just live with the consequences of that initiation,
11-18-2018 | 07:09 AM
#9386
Banned
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 330
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Perhaps you should since you are avoiding addressing the point - what this does to your group unity when you tell every single newcomer that you are n't going to "waste" any of your negotiating capital on him/her.
You can use ad hominem attacks on me, and you can justify a bad policy with other bad policies, but you haven't changed the fact - or even addressed it - that the other pilots have been complicit in allowing the management to screw the newbies. You can of course just ignore that fact, but that doesn't change the effect that has on the newbies. It simply tells them it's not really about fairness or group unity - not really - it's every man for himself. And you just live with the consequences of that initiation,
You can use ad hominem attacks on me, and you can justify a bad policy with other bad policies, but you haven't changed the fact - or even addressed it - that the other pilots have been complicit in allowing the management to screw the newbies. You can of course just ignore that fact, but that doesn't change the effect that has on the newbies. It simply tells them it's not really about fairness or group unity - not really - it's every man for himself. And you just live with the consequences of that initiation,
11-18-2018 | 07:05 PM
#9390
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 343
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He/she still has a choice. I can’t imagine what it must be like for you to put the uniform on in front of a mirror. Me thinks you probably can’t even look in one. (Which explains the sheer amount of slovenly dressed Pilots here who can’t even cinch their tie up)
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