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colive10 06-04-2021 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by SEPfield (Post 3245287)
They can and will use you as a right seat filler. The amount you get used in the right seat will depend on seniority and how fast the FOs senior to you start upgrading.
Gojet loves to recruit direct entry captains, they don’t have to pay you a bonus, they know you’ll be on reserve a long time so you can fill the right seat while the new FOs get lines and most importantly, they can fail you in initial so you stick around longer.

A lot wrong woth this post. Flying right seat as a CA does happen while you are on reserve. But it is definitely not every trip and has nothing to do with senority..it has only to do with what they need that particular day. They could assign a left seat trip to a junior CA on reserve then the next day assign a right seat trip to another reserve CA that happens to be senior to the previous CA. Bottom line is you will get SOME right seat trips as a reserve CA. But some other points to consider: reserve times are shrinking rapidly right now (at one base in particular you will almost immediately get a line)...you get paid as a CA every trip always regardless of seat. It still beats starting over as an FO if you are CA qualified when you get hired by a longshot. You do have the option to be an FO instead of a DEC, and that may be a better option for some depending...but doing that just because you think you will be on reserve less is not worth it. As flying comes back and the fleet expands with new A/C anyone who starts now as a CA or an FO will get a line much sooner than they may have thought and senority increase rapidly. The point about failing people to keep them longer is an old and tired and frankly completely false and disproved argument. If you are proficient and study hard and have a good attitude in training you will make it just like any other airline. The type of person that would get hired as a direct entry CA when no other airline is currently doing that and then complain about flying a few right seat trips, even though he/she would be an FO anywhere else and even while getting CA pay the entire time, is the same personality type that would assume that the training dept is out to get them for nefarious reasons. Ive said it before many times on here, its all about attitude.

climb150 06-04-2021 12:29 PM

Is EWR the base with quickest time to getting a line or ORD?

MrIncredible 06-04-2021 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by SEPfield (Post 3245287)
They can and will use you as a right seat filler. The amount you get used in the right seat will depend on seniority and how fast the FOs senior to you start upgrading.
Gojet loves to recruit direct entry captains, they don’t have to pay you a bonus, they know you’ll be on reserve a long time so you can fill the right seat while the new FOs get lines and most importantly, they can fail you in initial so you stick around longer.

They won’t fail you. As long as you study and pay attention. You’ll be fine. April 5th class, all 7 DEC passed their oral and checkride first time around. All FOs passed their oral and checkride first time around

klondike 06-05-2021 06:42 AM

Thank You, everyone, for all the REAL information.

There is always a negative Nelson in every group.

Anyway....

Minimum days off per month per the contract????

anyone?????

StlLifer 06-05-2021 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by colive10 (Post 3245439)
The point about failing people to keep them longer is an old and tired and frankly completely false and disproved argument. If you are proficient and study hard and have a good attitude in training you will make it just like any other airline.

It is not quite as false as you are trying to get people to believe. Failing people for reasons other than their performance is a long tradition at Gojet and Trans States Holdings. It was even done when we had a class full of people and determined we did not need so many pilots. It was cheeper to let them get to their checkride and fail them than it was to furlough them. That is how we were able to have a class of 42 at TSA in 2007 and flunk out 40 of the 42.

But compare that with Republic which required a 24k training agreement, where even if they fired you or furloughed you, you were required to pay them the 24k.. At TSH you could go half way through training, quit, and owe them nothing. It's not all bad here in Saint Louis!

climb150 06-05-2021 05:35 PM

May I ask what the junior base is now for FO? Or which one will the majority of new get sent to as of now?

dino87 06-09-2021 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by climb150 (Post 3246085)
May I ask what the junior base is now for FO? Or which one will the majority of new get sent to as of now?

EWR is still the JR base. At one point we had 29 FOs for 42 lines. It does look like almost all of the latest new hires were sent to EWR, but a few did get ORD. Looking at the bases, it still looks like EWR is the base with the greatest chance of getting a line.

hotelcc 06-09-2021 04:04 PM

Heard interviews for Australians on the E-3 visa was resuming... anyone heard from them post-covid?

StlLifer 06-10-2021 09:55 AM

I'm hearing that GoJet is actually wanting the pilots to take a pay cut because their fleet is entirely 50 seaters. When asked how they will get pilots to come with such low pay, their answer is simple, Bonuses to new hires. Any info on this?

During the pandemic, how many pilots did Gojet furlough and for the pilots still there, what were the number of pay hours reduced to for line holders and for reserves?

suffern060 06-13-2021 10:32 AM

BS
 

Originally Posted by colive10 (Post 3245439)
A lot wrong woth this post. Flying right seat as a CA does happen while you are on reserve. But it is definitely not every trip and has nothing to do with senority..it has only to do with what they need that particular day. They could assign a left seat trip to a junior CA on reserve then the next day assign a right seat trip to another reserve CA that happens to be senior to the previous CA. Bottom line is you will get SOME right seat trips as a reserve CA. But some other points to consider: reserve times are shrinking rapidly right now (at one base in particular you will almost immediately get a line)...you get paid as a CA every trip always regardless of seat. It still beats starting over as an FO if you are CA qualified when you get hired by a longshot. You do have the option to be an FO instead of a DEC, and that may be a better option for some depending...but doing that just because you think you will be on reserve less is not worth it. As flying comes back and the fleet expands with new A/C anyone who starts now as a CA or an FO will get a line much sooner than they may have thought and senority increase rapidly. The point about failing people to keep them longer is an old and tired and frankly completely false and disproved argument. If you are proficient and study hard and have a good attitude in training you will make it just like any other airline. The type of person that would get hired as a direct entry CA when no other airline is currently doing that and then complain about flying a few right seat trips, even though he/she would be an FO anywhere else and even while getting CA pay the entire time, is the same personality type that would assume that the training dept is out to get them for nefarious reasons. Ive said it before many times on here, its all about attitude.

OK... first of all lets all understand one thing. SENIORITY is everything... SENIORITY has to do with everything. G7 is the only regional which still has a CQFO system, and they have it for a good reason; they refuse to properly staff their airline. The current CBA does not provide any requirements in regards to proper reserve coverage per base per seat... so if they have more Captains than First Officers, its not an issue because they can just throw you in the right seat...and it is done by seniority. As far as training goes, everyone knows that G7 has one of the worst training programs out there. The company refuses to fully transition to AQP which means that you are under N & O. Many of the APD's in STL are former Transtates employees who thought the grass was greener on the other side. Many of them have a chip on thier shoulder and are very inconsistent. You have people that go through the training footprint who upgrade and have no issues, but quite frankly have no earthly business being in the left seat. Then you have people who are more then qualified who bust their ride over something stupid. The training is inconsistent and the company refuses to invest any more money into it then they have to. Think about that for a minute.

As far as attitude... you can have a great attitude here, it has no bearing on anything. The company will do what it wants to do, end of discussion. That is the reality of the situation. Do no be fooled. You will be promised the world and given a load of BS. That simple.

As far as pay rates, yes the company is pushing 50 seat pay rates on an aircraft that is certified to carry 70+... All I can say is...watch the boat sink. If you really think it is worth sticking around all because of some falsely advertised flows... think again. Frontier has established flows with ATP and Embry Riddle...I wonder why? Maybe because we are not flowing anyone and because the company has no intention to do so...

As far as bonuses they can take them away as quickly as they offer them. There is nothing in our CBA that prohibits the company from doing that. Allot of pilots who were promised bonuses did not get them. Many pilots left during the furlough. In the first 90 days of this year, 150 pilots left the property. Resignations and no recalls to go to other places which will treat them better. No surprise.

I would not expect any bonuses to return anytime soon. That money came directly from United, and they are still in clean up mode after COVID. Any other regional who is offering bonuses, such as SKYWEST, it is coming out of their pocket, not United's. Big difference.

Seniority is everything. Do not think that you will be put directly into the left seat if you are hired as a street Captain here... the reality is, without seniority you are nothing.


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