ding ding ding!

actually ended up giving him a ride to work one morning. didn't know he was there till he said hi in ORD just before getting off the plane.

 

Not defending anyone here but Soldierboy is active duty Army in Korea, not a Gojetter. He wants to get into flying commercially and I'm sure he'd like to fly for anyone just to get his foot in the door and fly. I'm sure he asked the question because Gojet hasn't been mentioned for some time now and he probably thought things may have improved with the airline. I can somewhat understand his position, I'm active duty Air Force, and want to make commercial aviation a second career after I retire in just over a year, just like Soldierboy.

KC135guy

 

So when MAG does it, its bull poop, but when SWA does it its "business."

Read: DEN.

FWIW, I like SWA. It's a dog eat dog world out there, and competition is a b!tch.

 

It's just a little bit different...SWA is arguably the most well-paying carrier out there (and driving 73's!). Mesa and Go! are far from anything respectable.

 

I can appreciate everyone's comments but however...I want to empathize that

what TSA did was complete crap!!!!!!!!!!! However, I agree, there are unlimited things outside of aviation and I do hope someone can make more if going that direction......the paying the bills statement doesn't apply to everyone, but some do.....most responses were from an individual position.....

one commented going to work for "target"....I must ask you will that support your bills...if you were to get into a management position or supervisor position sure.....I hope you never come across that decision or anyone for that matter!!!! If you do, what would you do??? I hope what ever you do you make enough to support expenses or more.

In 10 years is anyone gonna care or are you as a "pilot group" gonna worry about retirement fundings, you're house, wife's needs, and your children's graduation......at that point what's more important??? Maybe some of you are at the point and can handle all of that and keep a piece of mind...if thats the case ur mind is made up and I hope for the best to your future.

I won't address the scab statement again....if a strike where to happen at TSA and Go Jet pilots crossed I will recant my statement...but I would think they would know better....but this can happen to any airline!!!!

Would I do it.....NO!!! nothing is solved without union ship...no I'm not a big supporter of ALPA...I would be if their interests were stronger for the "pilot group" instead of their own personal gain...my opinion....I hope the USAIR vote gets ALPA's attention and quit the talking and start doing some action...we as a pilot group I feel have done their job its time for them to do their's!!!!!!

My point is I hope if some better regional were to come along go for that job.
However...Go Jets isn't going away and we need accept it just like anything has happened all we can do is start focusing on bigger issues and get our quality of life and pay back to where it should be!!!!

Management, loves this fighting, cause nothing gets solved and they pull our strings at their will....we need to....stop the fighting....and everyone from CAL, DAL, MESA, XJT, and even Go Jets stand together and express our frustration at management and applicable unions...we've been patient but we've run out..and now we want to be payed what we are worth...talk is cheap I know....but if everyone keeps fighting this will always seem like a lost battle.....now what's more important???? The short sighted version...hate Go Jets...or the long version...pay, qol, retirement, and supporting my family....no pun intended....but really what's more important???

Safe flying to all,
Freightcowboy

 

My comment about target is pretty easy.

Gojet first year pay is $23 an hour according to this site. Average 80 hours per month and you have a salary of $22,080.

Make $9 an hour at Target (starting pay), you're going to make about $19k. By the time you're promoted to some sort of assistant manager roll, which happens pretty quick if you're a hard worker and you'll quickly be making more than you would at GoJet and you didn't step on the backs of everybody.

People still remember the UAL and CAL strikes from years ago. In 10 years the majors will be made up almost entirely of guys that were at the regionals when they did what they did. Will people remember? You bet. I'll be leading the charge to remind people.

You beat the drum about moving on and improving the quality of life is a bigger issue. What you're not understanding is that GoJet is at the CORE of this very quality of life issue you speak of. Every clown that goes there and accepts a below average contract, signed much more recently than the majority of the regionals out there (many of which are on concessionary contracts signed right after 9/11 or a Ch. 11 filing) are destroying our ability to improve our lives.

You want unity? You want better quality of life? Start by educating the self-serving bastards that are going to places like GoJet looking for the fast/easy route. Mesa is losing flying because they can't staff jets. If enough people like Solidierboy learn about GoJet and avoid scumbag operators like this who compensate their employees below industry standard and operate on the cheap we'll start seeing improvements.

 

Pilotpip,

You're a respectable man, and I appreciate your comments....safe flying to you and everyone.......I do have different views.........you make some excellent points...I could go ahead and address this further....but I'll leave it at that I think you and I could go round and round expressing different views/or angles of this thread but I'm not gonna hijack it.....and you sir, have a good night and again safe flying to you and all!!!

Freightcowboy

 

Thats great, just think long and hard before making a decision to go to GoJet.

 

So its preditory pricing if you only pay regional wages, and "business as usual" when you pay 50% more than everyone else?

That's like saying the children of the wealthy (and their parents for that matter) deserve preferential treatment from the courts. Oh wait, that happens.

I don't follow your logic.

 

The difference is that SWA does it with a CEO that creates an environment that is worker friendly, respectable and makes many WANT to work there. Mr Ornstool does it by going out of his way to screw his employees, creating a hostile work environment, establishing a reputation that Mesa is a terrible place to work and conducting business in a constant unethical manner. If you cant see that then keep drinkin' the Kool Aid. Make Jim Jones proud.