So you're going to look like a GJ pilot instead of stalking them?

 

THANK YOU!! "Flamers appears to be FO's too" About time somebody said something about that. Am sure Express Jet monkey guy will still be doing it when he/she a Captain. WOW!

 

I think that I am now dumber for actually skimming though this post... I once flew a F-100 from ORD to ROC ALB etc for $70+/hr as a FO. Now FO's on RJ's are flying it for $22. GoJet Mesa AE TSA CHQ or GOD knows who... you are all the same.

ExperimentalAB...***?! Do you have a life of any type? You have been btching on this board for like 5+ frick'n days now! Get a girlfriend, a hobby; a dog, something and may GOD have mercy on your soul.... Life is short!

WHAT A WASTE OF LIFE AND TIME!

 

Jiffy though I agree with you Must say I BLAME ALPA for that. Had Mainline Guys held their Ground and insisted that the RJs be at Mainline we may not be were we are Today.

 

The "experienced" guys (I prefer "old") that are talking down to all the young FO's are pretty much exactly what is wrong with this industry. Your generation has done more to screw the upcoming generation of pilots and pull the ladder up behind you then any generation in the history of the planet; and nowhere is it more obvious than in aviation. The reason some of those guys make $23 an hour is because you were happy giving up your scope and letting an outside company fly YOUR mainline routes so you could keep a few extra dollars for a few extra years. Management ran over you guys in the 90's and you didn't even know it. You all thought you were hot sh!t because you were making $300 an hour. The biggest retard in the world could have told you 1 bankruptcy would take care of all that. Of course, no airlines EVER go into bankruptcy. So I'd leave the whole GJ thing to us now. This generation seems to be the one that cares about what happens after we leave. It's like some of those guys said, most Legacy guys don't even know who GJ is...but God forbid you wear your ALPA laynard on an Airways flight WORTHLESS!

 

The reason some of those guys make $23 an hour is because you were happy giving up your scope and letting an outside company fly YOUR mainline routes.




You are WAY, WAY, WAY off on that one. The ONLY reason those guys are making 23 dollars an hour are because they TOOK the job getting paid 23 dollars an hour.

You cannot AGREE to work for someone for 23 dollars an hour and then now say you wanna burn the place down because they pay you 23 dollars an hour.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Quit your crying, *****ing, moaning and complaining and let your feet do your talking. That is the only thing that will fix the mess that YOU have created.

 

The mess we created? You're telling me the contracts that YOU negotiated are the mess we created? I didn't let regional companies start flying regional JETS painted in mainline colors because I was too much of a tough guy to fly a "little plane". And as for letting my feet do the talking, do you have a better way of getting Turbine PIC in a 121 environment? Cuz I don't. I can't get to "your" company unless I put up with the BS "you" created at this level. All the mainline guys did was outsource our future jobs at that level so they could hold on to their pay rates and then look down on us for trying to get up to that level. Thanks *******************(figure that one out). And that's the other problem with your generation, they shift blame to everyone but themselves. When I screw up, I admit it and correct it. Not you guys...it's just our fault for being here. Get over yourself.

 

Well, there is a point here. The companies pay $23/hour and they are fat on pilots. Obviously, we are willing to work for cheap. The problem is that we all love to fly and do it because we want to. Sure, we get into it and forget about that and say we deserve the best pay, QOL - which we do because it is a JJJJOOOOOBBBBB none-the-less. I mean, damn, a rock star probably loves his job, playing guitar, tappin the chicks, and he still gets paid. But the "Living the Dream" bull shiit, and "I always wanted to fly" crap is what causes these companies to get away with this.

GJ, is no exception. The company says, "Hey, lets fly 70 seaters", AA says "No", so TSA creates an alter ego. TSA says "you guys can fly 'em at cheap ass pay", TSA pilots say "No", (some didn't - Bravo to those that did, they are the ones who will be appreciated if we ever win this industry wide battle), and guess what.... fast forwarding back to the present time, you have plenty of people working at GJ. They came from somewhere. Most of them know the story behind it too. They want to "Live the Dream", have a quick upgrade, etc, so off they go with their cheeks spread wide (I am not talking about a smile, either).

 

That statement is SO not true! Some of us actually have MECs that stand up to management. Not all regionals are the same. Some of us actually have descent on-time and completion numbers. Although not the $70/hr you used to make, some of us do have better pay scales, work rules, management-employee relationships than others. Some of us actually do represent the mainline carrier better than others. But then again, your management often gets what they pay for!

 

Are you serious? Do you think we really have a choice? All we ever wanted to do is to be like you. How else do you think we're gonna get there. My 4000 hours of single-engine PIC isn't gonna cut it. The Majors don't just hire off the street anymore (like they did when you got your jobs!). You've gotta have 121 turbine time. You guys dropped the ball on this one, not us!