Ask many mainline pilots and they will tell you they have never heard of GoJet nor care about them. Inform them of what truly happened.........how they stabbed TSA pilots in the back in order to fly and these same mainline folks who minutes before had little expression towards GoJet are now seeing red. There will always be some fools who try and defend or rationalize what GoJet did but bottom line is they are scum

 

That argument may have worked a few years ago but not now..... I am just saying that given the current state of our industry, the Majority of people at Mainline dont really care, FYI their are a few Pilots at GoJets who are furloees from American Airlines.....

 

Sorry but trying to wave it off by saying "that argument may have worked a few years ago" still doesn't fly and the argument is as valid today as it was last week as it was last year as it will be next year. Maybe once you start flying 121 you'll understand.

 

Dont make Assumtions as to what type of flying I am doing ie military 121 or otherwise Like I said *****ing and moaning is not going to help and playing the Jumpseat wars as suggested by someone ealier is not the solution bottom line is Comair felt the Same way about Chatqua about taking flying from them Express Jet is not very happy with Colgan in IAH .. and everyone hates Mesa... My point being is we all have a job to do and guess what you can do you job and move on with your life or you can work yourself up to a Cardiac for things you have no control over. if GoJets was a real SCAB airline as some say, then why didnt ALPA National Step in and make a big Stink about it.. how come you dont see anything in the ALPA magazine about this.

Oh yea your Brothers ie fellow pilots from ATA, Champion, Aloha, Maxjet, Eos bigsky, skyway and soon to be express jet and mesa appreciat your thought process, however it dont put food on the table and offer life insurance for their families that my friend is the Reality.. unfortunately our profession is a Dog Eat Dog profession.. too many time I hear or read.. My Regional is better than your regional BS.. bottom line is people will do what ever to feed their families , put shelter over their heads and GAS in their cars.. that my friend is REALITY

 

No my friend the reality is I don't make silly assumptions about life flying in the military because I am not a military pilot. Don't make assumptions about what you THINK might be the case about GoJet. Sorry but all the airlines you mentioned were not created as an alter-ego. Freedom A was and those pilots that jumped over there and stabbed their fellow Mesa pilots in the back STILL have the stigma of being scum. Almost all of them are still out of 121 flying because of it.
Now when it comes to "putting food on the table" as you say its never ok to do what GoJet pilots did. Sorry if you need to put food on the table then do something else. Selling drugs or being paid to off people puts food on the table but it certainly doesn't make it right or acceptable as a means to do that. And no I'm not comparing GoJet to that, just using it as an illustration. Pilots are smart people and if you can't figure out some other way of making ends meet other than alter-ego flying then you don't deserve to be in this industry. THAT my friend is the dog eat dog reality of the airline industry. Oh, and thank you for your service in the military. High regards.

 

My understanding is that TSA didn't agree upon the scope clause, per se. Management decided it was lucrative to take up AA flying and as such they kinda of got stuck with the 50 seat restriction. If TSA stopped flying for AA, they could fly 70 seaters all day.

The company then saw the chance to fly 70 seaters for UA and created the alter-ego to do that. So far, so good. The problem, as I understand it, is that TSA offered TSA pilots the option to fly the 70 seaters but wanted to pay sub standard wages. Instead of taking this chance and further debasing pilot status and proving to another management that we will do ANYTHING to fly, the vast majority of them said "NO". Some went over there and they are the SCABS in the highest sense of the word.

In time GoJet hired off the street. I understand the "you gotta eat", but it isn't that cut and dry because when GoJet was in its formation and through the first couple years, everyone was hiring. Why go to GoJet? And furthermore, flying isn't the only way to make money, especially in the short term, which is all it would take if there weren't scabs.

The short term hope of upgrading quickly for "my sake", has fu%$ed over many other pilots. You call this a backstabbing industry. An industry doesn't exist on its own. It is made of and comprises individual people who make choices on their own. Thus, it would be more accurate to say that this industry is made of backstabbing people. We've seen these people on this thread.

Here is the deal: If NO ONE went to GoJet, they couldn't operate and they would have HAD to have offered a reasonable compensation package.... PERIOD. The fact that some scabs went there just fueled the fire and proved to management how little we think we are worth. They are laughing all the way to the bank because of these guys.

Now that 50 seaters are going out of style and TSA is stuck in the AA scope, who gets to fly the 70 seaters? GoJet. Then who can't feed their families? The TSA pilots. Most TSA pilots would rather shove their sacks into a door jam than work for GoJet. But lets say hypothetically, they adopted the mentality of "I've got to feed my family", so they jump ship to GoJet. What has this done? Its moved the bar even lower for everyone else.

And as an extension to this thought: If pilots said to Mesa, "enough is enough, we won't work for you any more." Mesa would be forced to increase the quality over there. Because pilots have proven they will work for shiit, Mesa is the most ridiculed and hated regional there is.

Perhaps this "brotherhood of pilots" is BS. But regarding GoJet, don't forget who actually did say "NO"!

 

This post doesn't change the facts. And I've seen you mention a couple times in this thread to "let your feet do the talking, I did" and "It doesn't matter to me". Why are you still on this board?

 

Hey, denvrpilot, Chautauqua/Republic seem to have no problem flying 70 seaters on two different certificates with one seniority list. So, explain to me why hulas had to go and create an entire alter-ego airline rather than just do what Republic does? Oh, that's right, to avoid negotiating with the TSA pilot group. THAT is the problem with Gojets, not the scope thing.

 

A buddy of mine recently upgraded out of the E145 as FO directly into the E170 as Capt with Cha/Rep. TSA is screwed on that.

 

I'm a fractional guy whose only experience with GoJet was a ride home (on a coach ticket). Both the cockpit and cabin crews were very friendly towards me - upgrade to the front, "thanks for flying", and no request for a referral to my company. They all had a realistic view of their company, and hopes for a greater future.