TBucket

Yep... Now you can only deny them if there's a reason they can't come... Like, you needed extra fuel and have a weight issue... or there's not enough O2 for a three-person crew... It's amazing how often little stuff like that comes up...

rickair7777

I can see how O2 levels could drop precipitously on a moments notice...hsssssssssssssssssssssssssss

groovinaviator

True story...

Just this morning in PWM we were on the way to the hotel when the GJ crew came out. Captain offered the driver $40 to keep driving...

driver didn't take it, but the whole way to the hotel the captain explained to the driver why he should have kept driving... the GJ crew sat there mostly silent.

Awkward!!!

ACEAV8R

Not trying to be the "party pooper" or anything but it seems to me that being vindictive is probably driving the industry down faster than signing on with an alter-ego company. I mean, stepping on them over ATC frequency, purposely trying to make their lives a living hell by lowering the o2 in the flight deck or bribe shuttle drivers to leave them is doing more to divide the pilot group than it is to help it. I know a pilot who was with TSA when GoJet was created but I also know a few people with GoJet right now and Mr. ex TSA has no problem with GoJetters. Maybe because we didn't hang out on a public forum.
Point is, Gojet is here, get over it already. In this day and age people need to get a paycheck and the airline industry is not the only industry suffering. You don't have to like them, but to go out your way to compromise safety and make someone else lives a living hell sound more like that kid that got his @$$ whooped in school so decided to retaliate on the little brother. Your fight is with management.

Disclaimer: NO I don't work with GoJet and surprisingly, NO I don't need to push and pull the throttles all day to see this. Maybe that is why I do see this.

ImEbee

Yes that is exactly why you don't "see this". Since you don't push and pull throttles you don't have the perspective that we do. Keep in mind the type of people who fly at GoJet enable management to do this type of thing so yes our fight is also with those that sell out other pilots. I can't do anything about those that are there now but perhaps others who are thinking about it will think otherwise.

Mason32

As long as people accept jobs at what are basically scab airlines, then management will continue to create these types of jobs, and fill the positions with people who do not know any better and are just excited to get their first airline job with 400 hours total time.

It is our responsibility to educate our newer pilots to the fact that situations such as this are unacceptable. When they chose to ignore what everybody else is telling them, then methods such as described above are more than justified. If we were not prevented from striking or other job actions by RLA, I would agree with you.

Carry On & Fly Safe

BURflyer

ACEAV8R has a point. Get over it, GJ is not a scab airline, will never be. You voted NO and now they are actually doing better than TSA!!!!! Get over it. And what is up with non TSA guys being ****ed at GJ???? What did they ever do to you guys? Not only are people going to GJ but their resumes are filled with former major airline guys with tons of experience who came from UNION airlines. Think about it, instead of ****ing of your fellow pilots, that's not going to raise the bar. GJ became union and have 70 seat payrates and has a relatively good contract. It's just a job, that's the way I look at it.

Pilotpip

Actually, their contract isn't that good when compared to other operators of 70 seat aircraft. Aside from their block rates, their bennefits are pretty much the same as TSA's. Same healthcare, same 401k, etc. Those really aren't that good. The commuter clause is about the only thing they have that TSA doesn't. Even that isn't as good as other places.

They're still hiring direct entry captains. If things over there were so good, they'd have more than enough qualified applicants upgrading into the left seat.

The reason that a lot of us "non-TSA" guys have a problem with them is because we were TSA at one point. I left on my own free will, but a lot of people didn't have that luxury. A lot of us "non-TSA" guys realize how much they screw the rest of us when we try to raise the bar with better contracts. They're willing to undercut now, they'll be willing to undercut later. In the end, we all lose.

BURflyer

I was talking to a GJ guy the other day they said their upgrade mins are 3000, I believe 2500 with company time. They hired a whole bunch of commercial mins FOs back in 05/06 so they don't have the time to upgrade yet. They're also supposed to have a 25 CRJ fleet by next year so they're going to need more guys. I guess these new 4000 hour airline guys will lower the DEC hiring.

ACEAV8R

Actually, I do see this. I do see it childish and unprofessional to do things such as "step on other pilots on ATC frequency". I am not trying to make the world a perfect place, just trying to point out the obvious. They aren't going anywhere and neither is the other under-cutting airline in the making. It's all about the money and if anyone here thinks that they can change things by being vindictive and an out right jack@$$ to other professionals then you are only fooling yourself. Educate by all means. Go to flight schools or career fairs and give all the pros and cons. That is what this forum is for(at least to my knowledge). But understand, they are trying to do the same thing as someone from another airline is doing, Fly and get paid. And if someone decides that GoJet is their destiny, at least be grown and professional enough to respect their decision and move on to the next one. You should perhaps thank goodness for GoJet. If they weren't created, the regional you are flying for could've been the enemy..