NoStep

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -
Philosoper George Santayana 1905

AirWillie

You must be kidding. We're not talking about the Holocaust here. Everyone else knows how to end a threat, all the regionals that have united certificates gave up something, except for the 05 TSA pilots.

No doubt what TS management did was evil, but that's their job. It should have been expected knowing that you work for a bottom feeder. What is the union for? The stupidity of Trans States union leaders, instead of securing the flying, playing chicken when they knew they couldn't stop the formation of Gojet due to their contract, was even more reckless. You can argue about the evilness and injustices of everyone else, but TSA pilots had the power to end it and they didn't, just like every other pilot group has before them and will after them. No need for George Santayana, we know.

NoStep

I wasn't joking, just an observation;
)Juan Trippe(Pan Am) used his congressional clout to disadvantage competitors.
)C.R. Smith didn't want to pay senior pilot wages and got congress to pass the age 60 rule.
)Southwest used an airport building loophole to disadvantage it's competitors at it's inception.
)Bob Crandall (AA) created the B-Scale.
)Frank Lorenzo (Eastern) and Carl Icahn(TWA)...say no more
etc...
Lately;
)Mesa creates Freedom
)Republic buys Frontier & Midwest
)TSA creates Gojet
)Northwest creates Compass from ACA/Independence, then sells to TSA
)Pinnacle acquires Colgan and Mesaba

You're right that airline management plays us for fools, but incorrect about the past being irrelevant. They've been using political clout and dirty tricks for a long time, and if we as pilots fail to identify historical trends then we are, indeed, doomed to repeat history.

minitour

You forgot...

"God creates dinosaur.

God destroys dinosaur.

God creates man.

Man destroys God.

Man creates Dinosaur."

".....Dinosaur eats man. Woman inherits the Earth!"

-mini

CaptainCarl

Must go faster, must go faster, must go FASTER!

LeftWing

Yes, and you can apply that lesson to the fact that today's GJ pilots shouldn't get singled out and their beginnings are indeed water under the bridge when it comes to pilot unity. They're no different than pilots that fly for other regional airlines. The lesson from the past being that management thrives from divisiveness within the rank and file pilots.

Learn from the past and move on from this point.

Copperhed51

Pilot unity could also include have all pilots be against the GoJet pilot group. We need unity one way or the other. Either everybody needs to accept the non-original GoJetters or everybody needs to agree that they are scum and to be treated as such. As it stands right now, you have guys going there and getting jobs that other guys could have if there wasn't such a stigma surrounding going there. Those guys are benefiting (in the short term at least) from the fact that there is little competition for the job. If they have recall rights at United, then they really have nothing to lose. They are not scabs and having GoJet on their resume doesn't particularly matter to them once they are back at United.

Then you have the old guys from other defunct airlines that are at GoJet as well. They don't care since it might be their last airline job before retiring. GoJet seems like a good fit for people that have no reason to try to benefit the rest of the airline pilot community. I just hope that once TSA negotiations finally finish that we might have some kind of end to the whole debate.

AirWillie

Well sounds like you can answer your own points.

Were you scum when you applied and interviewed at Gojet? Were you trying to get ahead and to benefit off of anyone? I don't think so, but based on the above post that's what you imply current Gojet pilots are doing.

Your implication that somehow Gojet pilots are getting jobs others could have had is kind of like saying regional pilots are getting jobs major pilots could have had. It makes 0 practical sense. If nobody went to gojet tomorrow, what do you think would happen? Nothing, because it can not happen and would not happen. TSA is a separate company which had the chance to get the flying but didn't, so they can't be replaced when they never had the job to begin with. It's unfortunate but don't blame anyone going there now for taking an available seat. If you want that seat, then do something about it about TSH instead of calling each other scum on internet forums.

Zapata

That's one of the most illogical paragraphs ever written on APC.

Your emotionally based if/then statements clearly show that you're confused. Turmoil and division only benefits management. Perhaps you'll learn that one day as you gain more experience in the industry.

Blueskies21

Being willing to fly for less also benefits management, maybe you'll learn THAT as YOU gain experience in the industry.

I'm still waiting to find out how you will feel if your company starts Fedex-G or UPS-G (or wherever that MD11 is)to do your flying for less. Is that going to be ok too or just in the regionals because we're all crappy?