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Can ALPA issue a 'pre-emptive' attack on GoJet for scabbing? I mean, we all know they're going to do it.

 

250 or point 65, you've got it all wrong and your two points contradict each other. You say gojet pilots will never rise up, yet in the second point you state advocate looking down upon them and not management, so what's the point? They don't have to do anything, WE DO. It's frustrating but at one point you have to unite to have any kind of progress.

The fact of the matter is that "looking down" upon them has been very futile the last 5 years. We all have to admit that we have a very weak pilot group when it comes to the Gojet issue. Hulas is laughing at us all. It's the big elephant in the room, yet the only people that seem to talk about Gojet are non TSA pilots or the minority. It seems as if ALPA has given up. It's more like WE are afraid of Gojet then they are of us. It's no wonder it has been status que for 5 years and counting. Back to the booze

 

Who says looking down on them and management is mutually exclusive? I've been doing both for years!

 

Unlikely, as long as ALPA is encouraging UAL furloughees to take jobs there.

 

I won't take the time to individually respond to all posts addressing mine as there are too many. I'll just make some general comments that hopefully answers your questions or points.

-I am well aware of the beginnings of GoJet and I do agree that THE ORIGINAL cadre of GJ pilots that signed on to bypass TSA's seniority have questionable ethics. Guess what? TSA doesn't exactly have a halo over their heads, ala, American Eagle/Connection when Eagle pilots were furloughed, or why did TSA's contract have such weak scope to allow the creation of an alter ego in the first place? There are always at least two sides to every story. The regional airline industry is cutthroat to begin with. One cannot stand at theirs and criticize another without being a hypocrite.

-There is ZERO difference between the ethics of those that hired/are hiring on at GJ and those at other regionals. So what if there are small differences between 50 vs 70 seat pay, rigs etc.? They're all pretty much crap. It's like saying "my fast food restaurant is better than your fast food restaurant!" In the overall realm of the restaurant industry, both suck.

-Even though I think my application of the word "troll" is still somewhat justified, perhaps I used the word too loosely. I should have used, "misguided thread-jackers". Is that better? I know some of you think you're going to save the world with your personal crusade to inform. However, your message board anonymity driven crusade is full of exaggerations, hype and wishful thinking. GJ pilots (in the REAL world, not message boards) don't get singled out. They have no issues jump seating, ride hotel vans with other pilots with mutual respect and won't be in any worse position than any other regional pilots to hire on at their next carrier. Again, I am talking about the REAL world.

-Yes, I have no dog in this fight. It is just that I have participated in APC for a while and I will call BS when I see it. Also, I know some pilots at GJ (couple of ATA refugees and a UAL guy) and I trust their REAL WORLD accounts vs the hyperbole and drama on message boards.

-Moderators. Yes, letting threads get hijacked is just sloppy moderating. I call 'em as I see 'em. It's just my opinion, so no need to get your panties in a bunch and feel insulted.

 

Short and sweet...and absolutely correct!

 

I am no more "random" than you sonny.

Besides, I have more seniority here than you!

 

Not to mention, GJ pilots are not scabbing. I think even ALPA wouldn't be stupid enough to refer to GoJet pilots as scabs

 

Purple, so how exactly do you suppose we should unite with them? They don't want to stand up to management. We do. You're basically saying, "Lets just unite with management"

 

Right now GJ pilots can't to do anything about having long term stability and a better contract. I'm sure they want to but at the end of the day, they are not in contract talks and Goejt has been Hulas's favorite company so there has really been no reason to end the status quo. So the ball is on our court to do something for the collective good of all TSH pilots.

How did Mesa integrate Freedom? How did Republic integrate all three of their certificates? We have an opportunity now during contract talks to end this whipsaw. There has to be open demands with management as well as open talk among pilots to unite. The addition of Compass could only help us in the unification of ALL pilots under TSH because at least two of us share the same union. The differences should be put asside and focus on the long term stability for TSH pilots.

Also the ALPA pilots of Compass have an interest in forming long term stability now that they are part of TSH, former Trans States managers are already on their way there. It's obvious that TS can afford the current Compass pilot contract but they will erode it to Trans States standards and demand concessions. If we don't do anything, not only will we not have learned anything from the last decade but we will have three separate, miserable, whipsaw stricken pilot groups eventually and all competing against each other. Make no mistake about it.