The Quintessential GoJet Thread
07-13-2010 | 07:41 PM
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TSA's MEC even went to Eagle's MEC and was like *** are you doing. Eagle Mgmt didn't say anything about furloughs. They were just going to get rid of a bunch of planes. Eagle pilots were just all up in arms about TSA doing Miami flying (even though there was NO net gain). TSA's MEC said that both pilot groups keep all their jobs if the planes stay with TSA, but Eagle's MEC told AMR to get the planes back anyway. Furlough notices went out at Eagle the week after the last planes came back.
I don't get it?
AMR (Ain't My Responsibility) doesn't work that way! You think they were going to dump the entire Saab fleet, some ATR's and Embraers and just sit fat on pilots?
Eagle's MEC told AMR...? The same MEC that had to fight a legal battle just to get the flow-through? I truly wish ALPA had that type of pull, but...
The real question is, has this thread-drifted enough to close it?
No?
Anyone want to talk about Lebron's move to Miami?
07-13-2010 | 09:01 PM
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My God. Its absolutely impossible to discuss anything on this site. First in this thread I get lambasted for supposedly saying that scabs are worse than child molesters, now my argument gets pulled apart for saying told.
OK, persuaded, pushed, requested, demanded, wanted, explained. Whatever.
OK, persuaded, pushed, requested, demanded, wanted, explained. Whatever.
07-13-2010 | 09:44 PM
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Your lack of knowledge on this is making you look stupid. The Eagle flying was given to the American Connection carriers because Eagle couldn't staff it back in the day. TSA got the Miami flying and Eagle realized that was BS so they attempted to get it back. The Eagle pilots did not lose this flying to an alter ego airline. They were not negotiating rates for new equipment while management created a new airline to pay lower wages. The flying was given away and when they wanted it back, they got it. The American Connection flying was not a major issue when TSA pilots were getting hired at TSA, nor was TSA created specifically to steal the flying from Eagle. Hell, the flying goes back to the TWE days. You could make an argument that the flying belonged to TSA before it ever belonged to Eagle. The point is you are making a comparison where no comparison can possibly be made. You stating a fact about TSA pilots doing Eagle flying while their pilots were furloughed completely ignores the situation and tries to appeal to peoples' emotions, not logic. It makes you look bad in the end. Tell the whole story next time.
Like I said, there's no getting around the facts and you seem to like to ignore them. No amount of calling other people stupid validates your skirting the relevant facts.
I really don't want to bother to check your posting history. That said, anyone that spews BS about GJ pilots not getting hired at other carriers, having trouble with jumpseating, being given the cold shoulder in the hotel van etc. are the drama queens of APC's regional forum. In the REAL WORLD, this stuff does not/will not happen. The current GJ is effectively no different than any other regional.
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07-13-2010 | 09:46 PM
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07-13-2010 | 09:52 PM
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Nope, never even flew for a regional. I may not have the intimate insider regional knowledge of most of you, but I know enough to call BS when I see it. Like I said in other posts, I have no dog in this fight for me. I just have a couple of friends at GJ and they never experience the BS that people make up that rears its ugly in every GJ thread. The hypocrisy is getting old, that's all.
07-13-2010 | 10:45 PM
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zapata...i'd like to introduce you my good friend multi-quote. multi-quote...this is zapata...he regularly posts like 4 different posts in a row. its all good. 
that being said...to compare TSA/AE to GJ/TSA is unfair. it is not comparing apples to oranges. when TSA's mgmt goes and does somthin shady, we have no say. we work there. GoJets though was created to circumvent another airline...Gojets is crooked from the starting line. TSA was not created to do that, its a legit bidness with some sleezy mgmt.
that being said...to compare TSA/AE to GJ/TSA is unfair. it is not comparing apples to oranges. when TSA's mgmt goes and does somthin shady, we have no say. we work there. GoJets though was created to circumvent another airline...Gojets is crooked from the starting line. TSA was not created to do that, its a legit bidness with some sleezy mgmt.
07-13-2010 | 11:14 PM
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Nope, never even flew for a regional. I may not have the intimate insider regional knowledge of most of you, but I know enough to call BS when I see it. Like I said in other posts, I have no dog in this fight for me. I just have a couple of friends at GJ and they never experience the BS that people make up that rears its ugly in every GJ thread. The hypocrisy is getting old, that's all.
And second, why did you start this thread all knowing one???
07-14-2010 | 04:39 AM
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...and, I see very valid points in those others that are arguing the points that I have made.
I started it to make a point that you missed and/or disagree with. Just because you miss the point and/or disagree with it doesn't mean that I have to justify my creating this thread.
With this statement alone, I could easily attach the "all knowing one" sarcasm to you, all knowing one.
I started it to make a point that you missed and/or disagree with. Just because you miss the point and/or disagree with it doesn't mean that I have to justify my creating this thread.
With this statement alone, I could easily attach the "all knowing one" sarcasm to you, all knowing one.
07-14-2010 | 05:07 AM
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Management likes the infighting and division. Why not move on from here? With Hulas' purchase of Compass, SLI is possible and plausible. Heck, Republic did it, why can't TSA integrate Compass and GJ?
07-14-2010 | 07:28 AM
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Do you honestly believe that anyone here would like to do anything about Gojet and TSA? If there were, they wouldn't be posting here. As you said or someone else said, it's just a bunch of drama queens. And you notice how everyone is talking about the past, no one cares about today or tomorrow. Yes TSA was flying Eagle planes, yes the Gojet seniority list was started under unfortunate circumstances but it's water under the bridge that serves no purpose now other than to create division. As Zapata said, about management, create a little conflict and let the sheep slaughter themselves. That's why most management don't take pilots seriously.
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