Hello. Any current G7 pilots that have been based in either one (or both) of these bases (or know anybody that has) that can tell me the pros & cons of each? Especially comparing trip pairing quality (e.g. pay credit efficiency, overnights), pairing length, amount of reposition/ferry/maintenance flights, company-paid commuter hotel quality (i.e. excluding pairing overnights), and general flying enjoyment to each of the base's destinations.

I'm not concerned as much about commutability, as each base has their benefits.

Thanks!

 

Friends don't let friends work for hojets...

 

I hope you feel proud of yourself that you were able to get that out.

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There is no good reason to go to Gojet. Yes, they are trying to present a gentler, kinder image but the real Gojet is underneath. The owner resents every penny he pays a pilot and believes you should be doing it for free because you will move on some day. At the same time he does not want you to stay too long because then you are too high end of the pay scale. Gojet will never change.

United is getting rid of the CRJs as the contracts become due for renewal. Skywest has had several not renewed and their flying is going to American in LA. Skywest is getting the ERJ175s and will be using them with United. Gojet's main contract with United is coming for renewal and will not be renewed despite Gojet's management telling the pilots it has been renewed and many believing it, it has not. Those planes may go to American like Skywest or they may go to China as a lot of planes have been going. If they do stay with United (note they are not adding wifi which indicates they won't) then it will not be in ORD. One thing I can assure you of is that the wants of the pilots will not be a part of the equation with the Owner. The MRJs are going to TSA if they ever come. So basically, don't expect ORD to remain a Gojet base. If it does it will shrink dramatically.

Personally, I don't see the owner keeping Gojet going and the actions seem to support that. The DO just left and they merely took a line pilot made him the chief pilot for a few months and then the DO. No indication they have long term plans. No forward thinking no using the experience from other airlines. The DO was a navy NFO (non-pilot) and then got his ratings when he retired and went to trans states as an FO. So he is not bring any inside knowledge or experience to his position. There is no long-term plan.

 

Not speaking on the merits of avoiding or going to GoJet, but does any regional (except maybe SkyWest Airlines) HAVE a long term plan??? Even my company "one of the country's largest regionals" seems to have no plan beyond 2017, and is also putting temporary internal appointments (band-aids) on when another key management person bails out.

What I'm saying is you described the whole industry. So maybe new pilots should just pick a company that gets them to their goals the fastest and go for it. Unless you plan to retire there, the company's long term stability doesn't really matter. You could go to GoJet and "get your time" in 2-3 years, then move on to a major.

 

If you are gonna commute to O'Hare just apply to Skywest.

 

STL is a mix of DL & UA trips... but definitely more DL. Trips are not usually commutable on at least one end. Sometimes both ends are not commutable. Many of the crews live in STL. Ferry flights are more common as it is a maintenance base. Most trips are 4 days. DL overnights tend to be mostly east coast. The first leg is to LGA/JFK and then you won't get back to STL until the end of the trip.

ORD is mostly UA flying with an occasional DL trip. Many, if not most, trips are commutable. ORD crews are a little more laid-back. Most trips are 4 days. UA overnights are spread out all over. UA flying touches ORD and DEN a lot.

I can't say exactly what the average pairing credit is right now but it's pretty decent at every base.

 

I don't mean to sound insulting but you are, as I was, suffering from ignorance as to how Gojet operates. I never imagined that companies operated like what I have seen at Gojet. Some people are able to "get your time" but Gojet takes great pleasure in destroying anyone it can and it is very good at it.

I think you can learn a lot by watching people fleeing a situation. Why are so many people fleeing Gojet that they are hiring street captains?

But pilots are optimists, "they won't do that to me", "I tough and can tough it out!.

For those of you planning on going to Delta or United, or American, imaging these interview questions:

Why did you choose to go to Gojet? Were they your only option? Did you look at other carriers before making your choice or did you just send out an application and go with the first offer? Did you consider your family when you chose to go with Gojet? Why was your employment with Gojet terminated? Isn't that illegal for them to do that? Did you take any legal action against them? Why or why not? Did you research Gojet before you went there? If we hire you can you think of a situation where you would sue us? How has your experience with Gojet shaped your thinking about the industry and your profession. Did it make you bitter? Why should we hire you instead of similar pilots from Envoy, PSA, Mesa, or Skywest.Knowing what you know now, if you could go back and go to Gojet, Envoy or Skywest, where would you go? Wasn't that information available before you went to Gojet? Why did you choose to ignore the available information and go to such a carrier? Do you think it is an important quality for a pilot to want to gather information before making a decision if he has the time? How would you say your decision process in choosing an employer would be similar or different when gathering information in a CRM situation?

There are too many opportunities out there to not make a careful choice.

 

Pffffttt. Rubbish dood. They may ask you why you chose Gojets and I will tell them it's because of the RDU base. If I'm going to be beat up at the regional level (they all do it), I might as well get the best QOL I can since I live in Raleigh correct? I'm not going to defend G7, pilots are adults, they can make their own decisions but this place isn't nearly the monster you portray them to be. Our contract and pay is much better now. Fly the plane, build the time and go where ever you want in 3-5 years.

 

Hahaha, I love how many people believe this. What planet are you living on? The getting hired by any of the majors is still hyper competitive, and will continue to be for quite a long time.

I fly with TONs of guys who are super qualified, and hustle their asses off trying to get picked up by a major, and are still waiting, and will continue to wait. I'm not saying there isn't a lot of opportunity right now, but this idea of ""get in, get your time, and get out to a major in 2-3 years" is a fantasy. It's just not happening, at least right now.

So why not at least go to a regional that isn't a raging dumpster fire, and go to a place with at least somewhat decent pay, work rules, and management?