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Old 12-27-2016 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Flysafeeveryone

Their contract is worthless. The contract says you get 4 hours min credit per day but the small print says as long as the first day starts before noon and the last day ends after 5 pm. Otherwise the guarantee on a 4 day trip is 8 hours

Get the contract, read the contract. Look for the take-aways. Talk to Envoy, Endeavor, PSA, and Skywest people.
Please don't forget that this little gem was taken straight out of the PSA contract. Almost word for word.

While we're on the subject:

Open time, PSA pays 125% GoJet pays 150%

Junior man, PSA pays 175% GoJet pays 150%

Critical pay, PSA Pays 150% (if they follow the cba) GoJet pays 200% sometimes 300% depending on how critical it is.

Deadhead, PSA pays 50% GoJet pays 75% (changes to 100% in '18)

Direct hire captains at GoJet are actually flying, at PSA they are mostly on airport standby.
Direct hire captains at GoJet are not spending long on reserve, last summer there was zero reserve in STL. If they fly as FOs, they are still being paid as Captains. (Flying as an FO to me, is still better than airport standby)

Now someone with a CL-65 type can attend a few days of indoc, get a seniority number, and then defer class for six months. Meaning they hit the line with over 6 months seniority, almost guaranteeing no reserve. Plus a 5k bonus.

I'm not saying GoJet is all sunshine and roses, no regional or any airline for that matter really is, but I do agree;

"Get the contract, Read the contract"
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Old 12-27-2016 | 10:32 AM
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These GoJet basing threads are ridiculous... I was a direct entry hire from back in February, and honestly this place has treated be no better and no worse than Republic (Chautauqua) did. My paycheck has always been correct and on time. I haven't been asked to fly any broken airplanes or do any kind of shady operation. I've had personal conversations with both our CP and DO and both have been amazing to talk to. Comparing our contract to Mesas contract is hilarious! If anyone wants to, I'll go line for line G7 vs Mesa contract. I support Mesas pilots, and hope they get a better contract, but as of now there is no comparison. Our scheduling dept has let me off early, and let me come in late on reserve to make it commutable multiple times. They've also paid for more than 4 hotels in one month, although they are only contractually obligated to 4/month.

Since Feb 2016, (IOE in May) I flew 226.7 hours in the left seat and 15.1 hours in the right. I also held a line for June and July in STL. I don't have a crash pad, and have had to buy around 6 hotels all year. I average 16 days at home because of our long call reserve setup. I'd be a solid line holder in DTW right now, but it's a bad commute for me. Street captains hired today can hold STL, DTW, RDU immediately and ORD within a month or 2. Last roster had street captains holding ORD of IOE. FOs are holding lines at every base except DEN. I'll clear a little over $72k this year as a first year CA.

For those that say there is no movement, I've moved up 143 spots since Feb. With 560 pilots on the roster, that's pretty good movement in my opinion. We've had multiple people move on to FedEx, Southwest, Delta and United and many more to other LCCs.

Don't believe the trash talking, feel free to pm me or any other G7 pilot. I'm not gonna call it like it's the greatest thing ever. I had serious reservations about coming here, but have been pleasantly surprised about how things have gone so far.
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Old 12-27-2016 | 09:24 PM
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I second everything that bkey79 just said. Been at GoJet for about a year and a half and so far it's been great. QOL is good, and I pulled in 57k first year FO (took advantage of premium open time pay, referral bonuses, etc). Sat reserve for 1 month when I got hired, and the upgrade was right at 18 months as advertised. I've never been asked to do anything illegal; I've only been junior manned once; had one paycheck discrepancy and it was corrected within 48 hours. You get the idea. Don't believe all the negativity on here. No airline is perfect, and GoJet certainly has its problems. But overall, this is a good place to work.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 04:10 AM
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It's interesting, of the handful of pilots I know who have worked/currently work for GoJet, it's about a 50/50 split. A couple are happy and don't really have any complaints, and the other couple have horror stories. I wonder why it varies so much between employees?
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Old 12-28-2016 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bkey79
These GoJet basing threads are ridiculous... I was a direct entry hire from back in February, and honestly this place has treated be no better and no worse than Republic (Chautauqua) did. My paycheck has always been correct and on time. I haven't been asked to fly any broken airplanes or do any kind of shady operation. I've had personal conversations with both our CP and DO and both have been amazing to talk to. Comparing our contract to Mesas contract is hilarious! If anyone wants to, I'll go line for line G7 vs Mesa contract. I support Mesas pilots, and hope they get a better contract, but as of now there is no comparison. Our scheduling dept has let me off early, and let me come in late on reserve to make it commutable multiple times. They've also paid for more than 4 hotels in one month, although they are only contractually obligated to 4/month.

Since Feb 2016, (IOE in May) I flew 226.7 hours in the left seat and 15.1 hours in the right. I also held a line for June and July in STL. I don't have a crash pad, and have had to buy around 6 hotels all year. I average 16 days at home because of our long call reserve setup. I'd be a solid line holder in DTW right now, but it's a bad commute for me. Street captains hired today can hold STL, DTW, RDU immediately and ORD within a month or 2. Last roster had street captains holding ORD of IOE. FOs are holding lines at every base except DEN. I'll clear a little over $72k this year as a first year CA.

For those that say there is no movement, I've moved up 143 spots since Feb. With 560 pilots on the roster, that's pretty good movement in my opinion. We've had multiple people move on to FedEx, Southwest, Delta and United and many more to other LCCs.

Don't believe the trash talking, feel free to pm me or any other G7 pilot. I'm not gonna call it like it's the greatest thing ever. I had serious reservations about coming here, but have been pleasantly surprised about how things have gone so far.
Did you go specifically for the DEC at gojet or was it RAH you did not like?
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Old 12-28-2016 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sflpilot
Did you go specifically for the DEC at gojet or was it RAH you did not like?
I left RP for a Medevac king air job with Eaglemed. Chautauqua kept closing bases, and was commuting from San Antonio to JFK. Tripled my pay, all single pilot and I could drive to work. Left EagleMed for GoJet.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DriveC208
I second everything that bkey79 just said. Been at GoJet for about a year and a half and so far it's been great. QOL is good, and I pulled in 57k first year FO (took advantage of premium open time pay, referral bonuses, etc). Sat reserve for 1 month when I got hired, and the upgrade was right at 18 months as advertised. I've never been asked to do anything illegal; I've only been junior manned once; had one paycheck discrepancy and it was corrected within 48 hours. You get the idea. Don't believe all the negativity on here. No airline is perfect, and GoJet certainly has its problems. But overall, this is a good place to work.
I 3rd that. Gojet bashing is out of control. Certainly not a good company, there are better companies, but all regional companies suck. Pick the easiest commute. Fact is the QOL is pretty good, good trips, lots of time off, and high credits. 2nd-3rd year captain can easily pull in 75-80K with 15 days off. We're losing lots of captains to Fedex, Southwest, Delta, etc every month. Everyone is in line to get out, Gojet or not.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 06:57 AM
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Isn't it funny how your second regional is ALWAYS better than the first one? Sure even if it's Gojet. Why are they hiring street CAs?? That's a red flag. Whatever it takes to sleep at night. Also you guys have only been a year at a Hulas run operation. Give it some time.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by theclaw
I 3rd that. Gojet bashing is out of control. Certainly not a good company, there are better companies, but all regional companies suck. Pick the easiest commute. Fact is the QOL is pretty good, good trips, lots of time off, and high credits. 2nd-3rd year captain can easily pull in 75-80K with 15 days off. We're losing lots of captains to Fedex, Southwest, Delta, etc every month. Everyone is in line to get out, Gojet or not.
Do you want to eat steak or dogfood?

I would say this thread provides valuable information, a chance to look at the pros and cons of the low end airline. I would not call this "Gojet Bashing", it is better categorized as "Gojet Education". Gojet is unique and it is not a place someone should go without knowing what it is like. Things can be fine over there for a year or 2 but you had better keep your fingers crossed. When they got their new contract TA they were trying to get support by saying how grievances would actually be heard in the future and the company would not just fight everything. I understand there are still grievances from years ago sitting, aren't there!

Everyone is not trying to "get out, Gojet or not." At some companies the bigger complaint is that people like it there and people stay a long time, so movement is slowed. bkey79 has been there 10 months and has moved up 143 numbers, that is a lot of numbers for such a small airline. A few went to bigger and better things but I am sure a large percentage of people did not.

At Skywest, upgrades are about to hit 18 months and with all the new planes coming it should stay like that for a long time. I would look to Skywest before Mesa or Gojet. Envoy might be Ok if you want to be in NY. There is just too much opportunity out there that it is not necessary to risk your career by going to an airline that does not treat their people fairly.

Look to the reasons that airlines are having quick upgrades. At Skywest it is from growth. But when an airline is not growing yet they are hiring street captains, you will probably find some big problems.

Go for quality. You can buy an Apple that will still be operating great in 7 years, as mine is, or you can buy the cheap Compaq, or Attari, or Surface things that last 2 years and never work very well to begin with.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 09:50 AM
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Also keep in mind that if you are a member of the U.S. Armed forces Brad Sargent and Randy Bratcher will bounce you out of there faster than ****. As stated in the court documents in the Eastern District of MO Case 4:16-cv-01330. Randy Bratcher and Brad Sargent are also extremely racist and are known to go on belligerent rants. Even last month GoJet Airlines withheld hundreds of dollars in wages earned from pilots without any explanation and to this day it is unknown exactly what exactly are they withholding those wages earned for.
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