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Old 12-28-2016 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by qualified50
Also keep in mind that if you are a member of the U.S. Armed forces Brad Sargent and Randy Bratcher will bounce you out of there faster than ****. As stated in the court documents in the Eastern District of MO Case 4:16-cv-01330. Randy Bratcher and Brad Sargent are also extremely racist and are known to go on belligerent rants. Even last month GoJet Airlines withheld hundreds of dollars in wages earned from pilots without any explanation and to this day it is unknown exactly what exactly are they withholding those wages earned for.
You do realize throwing out words like those can be considered libel right? And you also realize that RB is a retired Navy Chief right? Saying that he doesn't support the military is hilarious! I'm a USAF veteran, and he personally thanked me for my service during introductions in Indoc. We also had an FO that had been with the GoJet for a 2 + years in my Indoc, but was deployed over a year to Iraq. That was his 3rd time going through Indoc because of his deployments. As far as the court case, wait till all the facts come out, you might be surprised. There are literally close to a hundred Guard and Reservists at G7.

Racist? I've had black, white, Asian, Indian and shoot my last FO was Israeli but of Russian descent. G7!also was a sponsee of OBAP and NGPA.

There was cash withheld from paychecks last month, and the reason was given. The company overpaid a select few amount of people for a mess up in the tracking system. They also decided to give half of the overpayment back, essentially giving free money to those select people. Oh, and the conpany has decided to retroactively give the $12,000 bonus to all FOs that hired on this year. So those hired in Feb that only got $5k, they are gonna get another $7k. There were a couple classes around Marchish that go no bonus, so yeah get $12k now as well.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 10:54 AM
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You do realize throwing out words like those can be considered libel right?

We also had an FO that had been with the GoJet for a 2 + years in my Indoc, but was deployed over a year to Iraq. That was his 3rd time going through Indoc because of his deployments. .
Libel? Have you proven his statement false?

Why would anybody need to go through Indoc twice let alone three times?!?

What did you do before republic?
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Old 12-28-2016 | 11:08 AM
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Just because you are a retired Navy chief does not automatically exonerate you from terminating the employment of a member of the U.S. military while he was performing his duties or from being a racist. Since it appears that you know the facts why don't you share them with everyone instead of having to wait until the trial by jury that has already been set.

Just because Gojet is a sponsor for OBAP and NGPA does not preclude you from being racist either. There are many forms of racism in addition to the belligerent rants they are known to go on despite the sheer low number of pilots at GoJet that are considered to be in these protected status.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by qualified50

There are many forms of racism in addition to the belligerent rants they are known to go on despite the sheer low number of pilots at GoJet that are considered to be in these protected status.
What racism are you talking about? Please educate me in detail.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
Libel? Have you proven his statement false?
I'm just sayin.. And it's not my job to prove him false, when you make a statement like that you better have proof or it's defamatory and then libel.

"The short answer is this: calling someone a racist is considered defamatory in many U.S. states and English Commonwealth countries. Now, the facts of a given suit matter most; but yes, people have sued for defamation over being called a racist and won."

Accusations Of Racism: Is It Or Isn?t It Defamation? | What is Defamation?

Originally Posted by WesternSkies
Why would anybody need to go through Indoc twice let alone three times?!?
Not sure if this is the right reg, but... table 3-75. And I think it was his 2nd time, can't remember what he said. He didn't have to complete the entire indoc/systems again, but was offered and chose to. He is a Blackhawk pilot, wanted to refresh everything...

http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v0...03_019_011.htm

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What did you do before republic?
You want my full work history?

USAF 97-06 Air Traffic Controller
FAA Houston Center 06-08
Midwest ATC Afghanistan 08-09
ATP flight school 09-11
Great Lakes 11-12
Chautauqua 12-14
EagleMed 14-16
GoJet 16- current

And look bud, I'm not trying to start crap with anyone. I'm only trying to give my experiences, and things have overall been pretty good.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by qualified50
Just because you are a retired Navy chief does not automatically exonerate you from terminating the employment of a member of the U.S. military while he was performing his duties or from being a racist. Since it appears that you know the facts why don't you share them with everyone instead of having to wait until the trial by jury that has already been set.
Im guessing here, but you've never been in the military huh? Once you wear a uniform, you would never throw one of your own under the bus without very good reasons. And I'm not gonna get involved in any open litigation, as I am neither a lawyer or a spokesperson for either party. I'm simply an employee that is trying to give their honest opinion on their own experiences. Mine have been really good. YMMV.

Originally Posted by qualified50
Just because Gojet is a sponsor for OBAP and NGPA does not preclude you from being racist either. There are many forms of racism in addition to the belligerent rants they are known to go on despite the sheer low number of pilots at GoJet that are considered to be in these protected status.
Ok, if you say so. I've never heard any of those and my experiences have been nothing short of extremely professional with any management.

Also, our seniority list has historically been between 550 - 575. I think we are around 560 right now. We ar covering our attrition.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by qualified50
Also keep in mind that if you are a member of the U.S. Armed forces Brad Sargent and Randy Bratcher will bounce you out of there faster than ****. As stated in the court documents in the Eastern District of MO Case 4:16-cv-01330. Randy Bratcher and Brad Sargent are also extremely racist and are known to go on belligerent rants. Even last month GoJet Airlines withheld hundreds of dollars in wages earned from pilots without any explanation and to this day it is unknown exactly what exactly are they withholding those wages earned for.
An accusation is not proof. You do not know Brad Sargent or Randy Bratcher or you not make such a ridiculous statement. I am friends with both individuals and am aware of the case you cited. I can tell anyone with serious questions this is bogus.
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Old 12-28-2016 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Flysafeeveryone
Do you want to eat steak or dogfood?

I would say this thread provides valuable information, a chance to look at the pros and cons of the low end airline. I would not call this "Gojet Bashing", it is better categorized as "Gojet Education". Gojet is unique and it is not a place someone should go without knowing what it is like. Things can be fine over there for a year or 2 but you had better keep your fingers crossed. When they got their new contract TA they were trying to get support by saying how grievances would actually be heard in the future and the company would not just fight everything. I understand there are still grievances from years ago sitting, aren't there!

Everyone is not trying to "get out, Gojet or not." At some companies the bigger complaint is that people like it there and people stay a long time, so movement is slowed. bkey79 has been there 10 months and has moved up 143 numbers, that is a lot of numbers for such a small airline. A few went to bigger and better things but I am sure a large percentage of people did not.

At Skywest, upgrades are about to hit 18 months and with all the new planes coming it should stay like that for a long time. I would look to Skywest before Mesa or Gojet. Envoy might be Ok if you want to be in NY. There is just too much opportunity out there that it is not necessary to risk your career by going to an airline that does not treat their people fairly.

Look to the reasons that airlines are having quick upgrades. At Skywest it is from growth. But when an airline is not growing yet they are hiring street captains, you will probably find some big problems.

Go for quality. You can buy an Apple that will still be operating great in 7 years, as mine is, or you can buy the cheap Compaq, or Attari, or Surface things that last 2 years and never work very well to begin with.
It's interesting that so many disregard these negative posts. Granted some might be somewhat exaggerated, but the fact that this keeps occurring should be an eye opener for all that are looking at GoJet. A good example would be if you were to look at Pinnacle posts from about 4 years back, you would find that the majority were negative posts. Today the Endeavor posts are mostly positive. So things can change. To me it would seem that things at GoJet are not that much better due with all the negative talk. With the hiring environment today there are far better choices
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Old 12-28-2016 | 05:48 PM
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To answer your question, yes I have been in the military. Matter of fact I served in the military more than twice your 9-10 years. Thats why I don't have any problems saying what I have to say about using the defense of being a retired Navy Chief as an excuse to terminate someones employment while they are complying with there service commitment. I served in various interagency, combined, and joint roles so I do know a little about the Air Force and given your 9-10 years I am sure you where probably a SSgt or TSgt maybe a Capt or a Major. This means you attended at some point your share of PME and leadership courses. As you very well know the Air Force prides itself in its core values especially the first one which is Integrity First and I can't remember how they word it but a big part of this cor value was doing the correct thing even when no one was looking or supervising you. So to your point, this has nothing to do with throwing anyone under the bus this has everything to do with doing what is correct.

Now moving to discipline and discharge. Being part of any hearing dealing with discipline or discharge was always my least favorite aspect. Some individuals deserve it while other might have not known any better but no matter what form of discipline or discharge was administered you know that it was not carried out by telling them that they would be "bounced out of here faster than ****" discipline and discharge was communicated in very clear and direct language and to the point. Us who served and that the uniform and the values that it carried know that this type of degrading behavior is not necessary nor acceptable in any discipline or discharge hearing. Same goes in the flight deck belligerent rants like those of Randy Bratcher be it a check ride, oral exam, or in the flight deck are not qualities of a service member or perhaps you walk down the halls of any military installation and all you hear and observe is this type of behavior? I for sure did not experience that when I was some Air Force Bases.

Moving along everyone know very well that you are always being watched you are always being heard be it in the gate area, while on the jet bridge, in line at TSA even working as an FO while being in flight etc, etc. and when you happen to hear these individuals referring to a group of people as being ghetto no matter what reason it is for guess what that makes you a racist.

As part of the pay that was withheld GoJet never gave me the exact details of what was withheld so to say they gave me back half of it as far as I am concerned they still have to give me back the other half or let me know itemized exactly what was withheld from my paycheck and for what reason and not just a random act.
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Old 12-29-2016 | 10:46 AM
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I never had any negative encounters with management. I was a good employee, showed up on time and did my job. That's all they expected.

The relationship was mutually beneficial. They got a good employee for over 4 years and I used the company as a stepping stone for greener pastures.

If G7 allows you to drive to work and move up quickly, consider it. There's little honor in being an FO at a 'top tier' regional for 9 years. You'll get disgruntled at a place like that quicker than a porn star fluffer in Carson City.
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