Wells Fargo technically owns all of GoJets 900s and they are directly leased to GoJet. Delta does not own any of G7s 900s ( all have a "GJ" tail number), only under contract to fly for Delta. Delta does own all but a couple (maybe all of them?) of the Delta painted 700s, which have a "CA" tail number.

The last couple planes I flew;

Example 900s:

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

GoJet Airlines N186GJ (Canadair Regional Jet - MSN 15165) (Ex CX-CRA ) | Airfleets aviation

Example 700s:

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

 

Hi folks I'm highly considering a DEC position with GoJet. I've been with Mesa for 21 months and upgrades have slowed to about 8 per month total. 2 E jet and 6 CRJ per last award. I'm on the E-Jet. This industry is very cyclical as we all know. I missed the wave at Mesa by about 6 months. Now we are in a position where there are more United E Jets to be had but our low pay, and overall weak contract doesn't allow us to attract the FOs we need to take on more E jets. You see the predicament. Yes if they can get the ball rolling again I'll upgrade quickly and hold a line. However, this current stagnation and weak contract doesn't paint an optimistic picture. As we all know PIC time is gold in aviation. Whether your applying to Delta or a corporate Citation gig - PIC time puts your resume at the top of the pile. The thing that attracts me to GoJet is the direct entry captain. Instead of waiting and or hoping based on projections to upgrade at ANY other regional - I can start class as a CA making 70/hr. PIC time and money. Two things that allow me to get to where I want to go. The question is what is this going to cost me? If I'm not gonna be flying then its costing me time. If they do withhold pay then its costing me money. If their schedules aren't commutable it could cost me quality of life. I don't mind putting my nose to the grind stone when it leads to achieving a goal.

 

I know what the registry says. They are owned by delta even still. Even though it says Wells Fargo. They are under ownership contract much like when we purchase a car. We are the owner but not title holder. G7 operates the pluna 900s under a sublease from Delta, not the bank. If delta want to remove them from G7 to another certificate, they can do that at their will.

 

Here is an example of their oldest flying 747. It's owned by delta but the registry says Wells Fargo like the Plunas.

FAA Registry - Aircraft - N-Number Inquiry

 

Garrett, firstly, do you have the time for DEC? As a regional FO you might not get DEC. Secondly, I would not leave Mesa for Gojets. It's a lateral move and starting over, bottom of the list, is a bad idea.

Now, if you really want to leave, go somewhere where you might get something out of it like Piedmont or PSA or even Envoy. Endeavor and Commutair don't have flows but at least you'll get a shot at U or D.

Also consider that you need to explain moving around. My advice is to stay put, take the upgrade when it comes, build your pic, start applying to the majors, and right now, then move on.

I know the frustratiin but try not to be impetious and make poor career decisions. Mesa to Gojets would be a poor career decision.

Hang in there and best of luck.

 

Explaining a lateral move can be done with many many great reasons. Mesa has really bum pay and it's kind of sad. By all means leave and go to an AA wholly owned with a flow program. I work at 9E and I advise AA WOs. It's good to know you have a mainline career in the midst. Meanwhile, you can always work on getting hired prior to your flow. But leave mesa and for EFF sakes don't go to GoJet. jesus mary and joseph.

 

yes I meet DEC requirements. Have been talking to the recruiter. He knows I'm not coming to GoJet as an FO.

I hear you but I have these thoughts -

Do we agree that 121 PIC time is the holy grail of a pilots logbook? Second only to heavy international 121 PIC. When Delta scored my app and didn't chose me for an interview I had 2400TT. Now pretend I had 4000TT and 1000 121 PIC. Do you agree my chances of landing an interview would have been significantly greater? Not to mention the extra $70,000 I'd make which would allow me to move out of my parents house and the healthcare I would have vs not having now. When I apply to any pilot job whether it be on climbto350.com or airline apps - Turbine PIC seems to open the doors to higher level positions. Why am I making $25k and not logging PIC time when I can make 3 times that, have healthcare, and log the flight time that opens every door there is in aviation? I'm not sure what sitting tight at Mesa or any other regional as an FO does for me when this opportunity has presented itself. Thoughts/input is welcomed.

 

Go to Gojet and be labeled as an Alter-ego.

 

121 PIC is great, but not needed. While many ahead of you have thousands of hours of 121, and a fair amount of that PIC time, they are not getting the call either.

Yet DL is hiring 23 yr old kids with a wet ATP certificate, 0 TPIC. It's not what it used to be, IMHO.

If you're going to make a lateral move, do it at PDT or EDV, not GoJet. Even if you sit as an FO for 2-3 months, you'll be doing it for great pay. IF you can handle the commute to either place, that is.

 

If you come as a DEC, does the longevity incentive apply? If it did I would be willing to sit reserve in STL for a long time. Also how is the insurance?