Changing the Beard Rule
03-23-2017, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Wags808
For many people having a manicured beard is part of their identity.
My beard is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
Without me, my beard is useless. Without my beard, I am useless.
03-23-2017, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
wags
Are you really a 16-year PP arguing with ALPA? Why?
GF
Are you really a 16-year PP arguing with ALPA? Why?
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03-24-2017, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
wags
Are you really a 16-year PP arguing with ALPA? Why?
GF
Are you really a 16-year PP arguing with ALPA? Why?
GF
I picked United because of family history, and it is the airline I would most like to fly for.
03-24-2017, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Wags808
it always bothered me that the airlines want to dictate odd things like facial hair on pilots. It seems so far from something that the company should have any rule on. And ultimately I would hope that enough people begin talking about it that something happens/changes.
03-24-2017, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wags808
I'm training to become an airline pilot. Grew up in an airline household, and it always bothered me that the airlines want to dictate odd things like facial hair on pilots.
03-24-2017, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
This is good training, because far more serious matters will bother you as an airline pilot, so you can use beard policy as a kind of simulator. Next, you should practice hat disgruntlement.
03-24-2017, 04:44 PM
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What have you been doing over these years, assuming you really want be an airline pilot? Sixteen years and not even a Commercial, IR, AMEL? Aviation, in the US, is a pretty culturally conservative business--it has a lot to do with the US consumer. Serious professionals are taken seriously when they appear conservative, solid citizens. Do you want a doctor doing brain surgery on you wearing tattoos, nose rings, saying, "we're route around your brain and get that f'ing tumor ripped out"? No, you want sober, serious people in charge of your life. In the US, as opposed to other cultures, beards are serious.
Sorry, GF
Sorry, GF
03-24-2017, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
Gee....it took all of 20 seconds to find a FAA Advsiory Circular on the topic:
AC 120-43 - The Influence of Beards on Oxygen Mask Efficiency
And a more recent FAA Order (now intergrated in the the FAA Inspector Handbook) that specifically permits air carriers to deny cockpit jump seats to bearded inspectors:
USE OF THE FLIGHT DECK JUMP SEAT BY AVIATION SAFETY INSPECTORS WITH FACIAL HAIR
This is not gonna change anytime soon.
Two words: potential liability.
AC 120-43 - The Influence of Beards on Oxygen Mask Efficiency
And a more recent FAA Order (now intergrated in the the FAA Inspector Handbook) that specifically permits air carriers to deny cockpit jump seats to bearded inspectors:
USE OF THE FLIGHT DECK JUMP SEAT BY AVIATION SAFETY INSPECTORS WITH FACIAL HAIR
This is not gonna change anytime soon.
Two words: potential liability.
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