USMCFLYR

Sorry then...I didn't realize that you were trying to make a point with the statement with the CFI required comment. I've seen that idea floated many times before on the boards and it usually comes from former CFIs. I thought you were agreeing with that line of thinking and I was attempting to show a different perspective.

I'm not sure what they have now, but there will be others that can answer that question. I had 440 hrs (due to some civilian time before the military) before I qual'ed in the T-2C. My roommate at the time, who had NO previous flight experience prior to FAM-1 in Primary qual'ed with about 150 hrs. Now after saying that, I'll also point out that those same students by the time they got to my phase of training after getting their wings (with about 200 hrs I think) still had a lot of problems with some basic skills - Basic Air Work and Situational Awareness most often. They would have NO place anywhere near a P121 (and certainly not a P135 single person cockpit) for that matter in my opinion.

Yes I believe the military trains to a very high standard - for a specific purpose.

I am a fan of the 1,500 hr rule for entrance into the P121 world. I have not really thought of the lowering of minimums for P135 VFR/IFR, but it is an interesting idea if it would not compromise the safety of those operations and still provide the needed experience for later entry into the airlines.

USMCFLYR

DeltaPaySoon

Even if they had the ability to resurrect the deceased, it wouldn't be enough this time around.

dosbo

Perhaps he was talking about the 121 regionals hiring lowtime pilots and then having them learn basic flying skills while flying the line.

gtech88

The issue is not between the 300 hour pilot versus the 1500 hour pilot, but between a 21 year old versus a 27 year old.

acl65pilot

The thing is that places like ERAU are shifting from Part 141 flight schools to Part 142 flight schools. What this means is even less time in the air and more time in a simulator.

Yep, simulators are great, but they do not simulate the experience of doing something stupid and surviving it. Simulators are a controlled environment whereas the real world is, well, real.

Ref Below:

FAR Part 141

Pilot School Requirements

This part prescribes the requirements issuing pilot school certificates and the general operating rules applicable to a holder of such a certificate.

For example:

Flight instructors must be certified under Part 141 to be able to teach students enrolled in such a course.

A FAR Part 141 pilot school can offer a private or commercial pilot course with less than the hours required under Part 61.

FAR Part 142

Aviation Training Centers

This part prescribes the rules governing the certification and operation of aviation training centers and provides an alternative means to accomplish training required for a pilot certificate.

For example:

Training accomplished in a course conducted by a training center certified under FAR Part 142 of this chapter using an approved flight simulator or approved flight training device (FTD) representing the category, class, and type, if applicable, of aircraft appropriate to the rating sought.

forgot to bid

Nah, I'm sorry USMC, I was being too much of a smart aleck.

Happens at 2am.

NO I do not believe the CFI or CFII should be a requirement.

4everFO

Airline I work for has 300 hour pilots flying A330s and B777s and serve as Second Officers on A340s and B747s, and they do a fine job. They are all very very good at theory and procedures, with very little exposure (300 hours) to stick and rudder. It is the training program, along with the quality and drive of the student that determines the quality of the final product.

You are all fooling yourselves if you think that a 1500 hour rule is going to "raise the bar" as far as pay and work rules for regional pilots. The only thing that would accomplish that would be pilots actually looking out for the group as a whole instead of each individual looking out for himself.

FO

forgot to bid

ACL, I was talking to some folks that were looking at those Frasca FTD sims with the wrap around visuals for Auburn because the high cost of renting aircraft. The end result was the cost for some of those nice sims is very high per hour, not as high as an airplane, but not as cheap as we'd like to see.

Just too bad. If a school would eat the cost of the sim and make it dirt cheap for the students it'd be to the students educational benefit, imo. If they're not, then the students are paying a lot.

bcrosier

I never said you should have your life threatened. I did say you should work in an environment where you aren't spoon fed everything, where YOU are the one who has to make the hard decisions, and where you may make mistakes and learn from them WITHOUT having 50+ paying passengers in back who think they bought a ticket on a mainline flown by pilots with thousands of hours and years of experience.

RJSAviator76

Here's one question I'd like ERAU to answer:

In the country like the US where we have surplus of experienced pilots, why should the flying public accept lowering the safety margins by taking your graduates at bare mins when they could just as easily hire those with experience?

As a proud ERAU grad, I know I can build the best paper airplanes and I can tell you all about the high speed aluminum tubing. Yet, I can thank Ameriflight for really teaching me how to fly and be a pilot-in-command.