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12-10-2017 | 12:41 AM

#10041

at6d

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Part 91 baby!

12-10-2017 | 05:20 AM

#10042

tomgoodman

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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer

Maybe he saw the lights?

Maybe so!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xtolv9kM1qk

12-10-2017 | 07:41 AM

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RI830

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Slow flight down the ILS at 20-30kts with that prop crankin......he probably cleared the fog in front of himself enough to see some lights.
At 30kts, he’s dang near hovering

12-12-2017 | 07:09 PM

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cardiomd

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Originally Posted by shfo

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N934PH/history/20171208/1515Z/KCVO/KSEA

This idiot. It was 500 rvr when he landed. Survived this time but Darwin is going to catch up with him. Couldn't even talk on the the radio.

It is a Saratoga... really slow, and 500 RVR probably was some good vertical visibility (likely 500 ft or greater) to see lights, which is not that bad. If he did it, good for him. I don't think that is necessarily fate-tempting for a light GA aircraft.

What do you mean couldn't talk on the radio?

12-12-2017 | 07:13 PM

#10045

cardiomd

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RI830

Slow flight down the ILS at 20-30kts with that prop crankin......he probably cleared the fog in front of himself enough to see some lights.
At 30kts, he’s dang near hovering

Exactly, keep in mind we have such ridiculous amounts of runway relative to what is needed, and if you ever see it, can just touch down and land and follow the yellow line + GPS assist to taxi. Can't see, missed approach and divert. Relatively low risk.

12-12-2017 | 07:56 PM

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Qotsaautopilot

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Originally Posted by cardiomd

Single engine piston in that weather is very high risk imo. If it quits you’re probably dead.

12-12-2017 | 08:13 PM

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80ktsClamp

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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

Single engine piston in that weather is very high risk imo. If it quits you’re probably dead.

It's risky but legal. Everything we do in this industry comes with a risk. You can always take a look under those regs, and it's amazing how often you can actually see something.

I remember multiple times being able to go take a look under 91 while airliners held and getting in easily.

Not saying it's good judgement, but it certainly was legal.

12-13-2017 | 05:00 AM

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METO Guido

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

It's risky but legal. Everything we do in this industry comes with a risk.

True. Met this guy a year or two before it happened. Seemed like a nice fella.
ASN Aircraft accident Boeing 727-235 N4743 Tampa International Airport, FL (TPA)

12-13-2017 | 07:17 AM

#10049

Dolphinflyer

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Originally Posted by cardiomd

From my past Saratoga experience, at medium to light landing weights, I used less runway landing in a 757 than more than a few of the SEL guys. Once it's dialed in with trim and power on the ILS, easier to fly an ILS compared to light aircraft. More stable and less time to screw up due to higher VREF approach speed.

This instance? Wasn't there, don't know what he saw. Some airliner may have blown the threshold area above mins.