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Old 05-08-2019, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ICUROOK View Post
93% of those being white male military aviators. Delta doesn't count, all they do is hire military.
Patently false.
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
It's higher than that as a pilot group, but the demographics of those getting into the industry have diversified some.

Still... seriously arguing against 94%???
Nope just saying that having a vagina or different skin color is for sure an easier way to get to the legacies. So in turn being a white male civilian makes it a lot harder to get a job there.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
55-60% are civilian. Try again. I guess ignorance really isn't bliss.

My class, the first class post-2001, was 100% civilian.
My DL class post 2014 was 97.5% male. 95% white. And I'd say ~70% civilian.
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer View Post
What is the percentage of white male pilots? Iíd guess higher then that. Hiring should be in the exact same percentages as the whole.
Well, since the percentage of minorities is probably higher in regionals and other more entry-level jobs, and 4% of total airline pilots are female, youíre probably extremely close to that now.


But donít let that stop you from feeling slighted.
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:48 PM
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TFW youíre 30.5% of the population and hold 94% of the new hire spots but still feel disadvantaged.
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer View Post
Nope just saying that having a vagina or different skin color is for sure an easier way to get to the legacies. So in turn being a white male civilian makes it a lot harder to get a job there.
Is math difficult for you? What part of 94% don't you understand?
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer View Post
Nope just saying that having a vagina or different skin color is for sure an easier way to get to the legacies.
Lets assume that 5% of every class at a major is made of something other than a white male. In a class of 40, that means 2 non white males. Do you actually think that ALL of the 5% don't deserve to be there? Let's say that is true. Do you really think that there aren't at least 2 other white males of the 38 that are less qualified than others who didn't get the job offer or interview?

Now let's leave fantasy land. The truth this industry can be harder if you don't fit the stereotypical pilot mold. For every person you think got an advantage because they were a girl, there were many more who were actually treated worse because they were not a white male.

Personally, I know way more white men who slipped through the hiring cracks and got into a position they were not qualified for than a black person or a woman.
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:58 PM
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To add to the above post^, try talking to women about their path in aviation and what theyíve dealt with. Itís often eye opening, disgusting, and shameful.

Pretending itís a walk in the park to get a legacy job as a minority is either ignorance or willful denial of reality.
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:08 PM
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I guess this story qualifies as a TOTD nominee...

At my first 121 gig, we had to do a few rides in the jumpseat before we could start IOE. My flight was delayed a few hours because they needed to call a reserve FO.

The captain and I were in the flight deck talking when I saw the FA enter the aircraft followed by the female FO (who I actually met when I was in training). The FA says, "Our FO is here. She is coming down the jet bridge." Since the captain can't see the entry door, he assumed the FO was at the top of the jet bridge but she was actually right behind the FA. His response, "SHE?! Sh!t."

Imagine starting a trip as a new hire with that kind of welcome. We ended up doing an approach into an airport with a short runway in the snow with a tailwind of 10 gusting to 15. The tower clears us to land and tells us the breaking action is poor. I had some doubts as to if we had to count the gust into our tailwind limit, but as a FNG I wasn't going to say anything unless I could find it in the FOM. Luckily that new FO had the stones to tell the captain that not only could we not land due to the gust, but we couldn't land with a braking action below good with ANY tailwind. I wonder if that captain remembers that a female FO saved his ticket that day so that he could go on to United.
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine View Post
Lets assume that 5% of every class at a major is made of something other than a white male. In a class of 40, that means 2 non white males. Do you actually think that ALL of the 5% don't deserve to be there? Let's say that is true. Do you really think that there aren't at least 2 other white males of the 38 that are less qualified than others who didn't get the job offer or interview?

Now let's leave fantasy land. The truth this industry can be harder if you don't fit the stereotypical pilot mold. For every person you think got an advantage because they were a girl, there were many more who were actually treated worse because they were not a white male.

Personally, I know way more white men who slipped through the hiring cracks and got into a position they were not qualified for than a black person or a woman.
I actually agree with you on a lot of what you are saying. Just funny hearing people say that there isnít a preference of non white males. When there clearly is in the age we live in now.
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