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Old 05-08-2019, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer View Post
I actually agree with you on a lot of what you are saying. Just funny hearing people say that there isnít a preference of non white males. When there clearly is in the age we live in now.
Show us the numbers you used to come to this conclusion
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
And yet, white males are getting hired at age 24 with no TPIC, too. So weird. Itís almost as if the ďadvantagesĒ are being completely overblown.
Women are over-represented in some fields (nursing, schoolteacher, cosmetic sales, beauticians ...) Do you think society needs to remedy this?

Perhaps exposing more men to these fields in school to foster interest. Some trendy posters and feel-good articles about how rough men have it?
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
Perhaps exposing more men to these fields in school to foster interest. Some trendy posters and feel-good articles about how rough men have it?
They actually are doing that. There is an huge shortage in nursing and the industry is trying to let men know that they can be nurses too. Having a diverse working group is an advantage. Personally, I have gotten bored talking with other pilots about their Corvettes.
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Old 05-08-2019, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
Women are over-represented in some fields (nursing, schoolteacher, cosmetic sales, beauticians ...) Do you think society needs to remedy this?

Perhaps exposing more men to these fields in school to foster interest. Some trendy posters and feel-good articles about how rough men have it?
That's exactly what is going on, particularly in nursing and teaching.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:11 PM
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Based on my experience, I don't think that has much weight with respect to hiring.
Sorry to dispute your experience but that just about summarizes my Delta interview... Hey lets spend 20 minutes looking at all your high school and college transcripts except your 3.87 GPA for your MBA because that was correspondence and actually counts against you. Hmm you also say that you might have failed a daily sortie in military UPT but don't have your UPT gradebook to prove it? That's a red flag for sure, there's the door don't come back.

Seriously. 2 topics in the interview, my high school grades and the fact that I honestly stated that while I never failed any checkride of any sort, I probably failed *something* in UPT but don't have my gradebook for details. 1 year re-apply, which for an ex-USAF fighter pilot who was a stan-eval chief means don't come back.

They've got a hiring system that works for them, and it's got a few landmines in there. Step on one and you don't need to reapply. I've got a bunch of friends at Delta who say it's a great place to work but the interview team was clearly triggered by my high school grades before I walked into the room and it went downhill from there. They didn't ask a single question about my flying experience. Not one. The hardball question - "So, what do you think about education NOW?"

Spirit and SWA interviews were polar opposites of Delta. Half an hour chatting about flying, then go over the logbook to find some more flying stories to chat about. When can you start? Totally different approach.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by flensr View Post
Sorry to dispute your experience but that just about summarizes my Delta interview... Hey lets spend 20 minutes looking at all your high school and college transcripts except your 3.87 GPA for your MBA because that was correspondence and actually counts against you. Hmm you also say that you might have failed a daily sortie in military UPT but don't have your UPT gradebook to prove it? That's a red flag for sure, there's the door don't come back.

Seriously. 2 topics in the interview, my high school grades and the fact that I honestly stated that while I never failed any checkride of any sort, I probably failed *something* in UPT but don't have my gradebook for details. 1 year re-apply, which for an ex-USAF fighter pilot who was a stan-eval chief means don't come back.

They've got a hiring system that works for them, and it's got a few landmines in there. Step on one and you don't need to reapply. I've got a bunch of friends at Delta who say it's a great place to work but the interview team was clearly triggered by my high school grades before I walked into the room and it went downhill from there. They didn't ask a single question about my flying experience. Not one. The hardball question - "So, what do you think about education NOW?"

Spirit and SWA interviews were polar opposites of Delta. Half an hour chatting about flying, then go over the logbook to find some more flying stories to chat about. When can you start? Totally different approach.
I had a 2.7 college GPA (in philosophy, minor in geology) and 3.8 high school GPA and was somehow the first person hired at Delta post 2001. White dude and civilian with a retired regular line pilot recommendation. Every one of those so called preferred people on here got hired after me.

The interview looks a lot at how you react to things. Get defensive and close up? You're not gonna do well. They are looking a tremendous amount at how you arrive at the answers. I noticed they were not reacting favorably to my FE exam wondering if FDX was a priority (it was) and addressed that in their "anything to add?" at the end. I could have said nothing more, or addressed it on the nose and owned it. It was a bit of a Will Ferrell moment in old school, but I told them yep and laid it all out. I made my case very clear, which that communication method (while recognizing the audience) has also paid off in spades in my 12 years at DL.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
The interview looks a lot at how you react to things.
^THIS

That was my take away too. At first I was surprised by some of the highly qualified people that didn't get the job. Then when I went through the HR portion I understood. The only landmines they have are personality ones. They try to get under your skin to see how you handle conflict. They want people who can deescalate situations. While I don't think mind games should not be used for important career interviews, I do see the benefits of hiring pilot group that knows how to keep an upset passenger from starting a Twitter war.
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Except when they hire day 1 and then day 2 the shrink portion they are banned for life. That's happened to many guys.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:58 PM
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Except when they hire day 1 and then day 2 the shrink portion they are banned for life. That's happened to many guys.
Treat day 2 like day 1. It's way better now than the unqualified nurse digging around in my arm trying to find a really prominent vein and then wiring the EKG wrong asking me if I'm ok because I flatlined.
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Old 05-08-2019, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine View Post
^THIS

That was my take away too. At first I was surprised by some of the highly qualified people that didn't get the job. Then when I went through the HR portion I understood. The only landmines they have are personality ones. They try to get under your skin to see how you handle conflict. They want people who can deescalate situations. While I don't think mind games should not be used for important career interviews, I do see the benefits of hiring pilot group that knows how to keep an upset passenger from starting a Twitter war.
It's not even that they try to get under your skin. They hand you the shovel and let you think they are trying to get under your skin if you're willing to let the demons in your head go there. Dig if you're looking for it...
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