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Old 05-15-2015 | 08:49 AM
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This should probably be in the "This is why I fly cargo" thread...

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Old 05-15-2015 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
This should probably be in the "This is why I fly cargo" thread...

Couple Sues United Airlines
I would think that lawsuit wouldn't pass the smell test. Yuk, Yuk....
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Old 05-15-2015 | 10:09 AM
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It didn't, until the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals reinstated it.
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Old 05-15-2015 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
This should probably be in the "This is why I fly cargo" thread...

Couple Sues United Airlines
...just when you think you've seen and heard EVERYTHING!

During a short trip to my local JCPenney, what do I see but a self-absorbed twit holding her tiny foofie dog. Guess she thinks she's at an airport and can do whatever she wants. Sad that no one enforces rules anymore.
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Old 05-15-2015 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Nobody can ban service animals. Airlines could ban emotional support pets who are not properly certified as actual service animals...but they just kind of wink at the pax, collect their fares, and let the crews deal with it.
Not quite true but almost true. There are very much "commonsense" rules and exceptions. For example, service dogs are allowed in the hospital, but not on our OR floors, chemo rooms where immunosuppressed patients may be, etc. They can't be where food is being prepared.

I'm sure that the airlines could get more legal leeway but the "black eye" they would get from the histrionic lawsuits that would follow is not worth it. I'm frankly surprised they allow non-service animals in the cabin.
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Old 05-15-2015 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Not quite true but almost true. There are very much "commonsense" rules and exceptions. For example, service dogs are allowed in the hospital, but not on our OR floors, chemo rooms where immunosuppressed patients may be, etc. They can't be where food is being prepared.

I'm sure that the airlines could get more legal leeway but the "black eye" they would get from the histrionic lawsuits that would follow is not worth it. I'm frankly surprised they allow non-service animals in the cabin.
You're not permitted to ask what one's disability is, soooo, the loophole is huge in the ADA. If someone claims they need a "support animal" to fly, they get away with it.
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Old 05-15-2015 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LNL76
You're not permitted to ask what one's disability is, soooo, the loophole is huge in the ADA. If someone claims they need a "support animal" to fly, they get away with it.
No such thing in the ADA. Likely your employer asks you not to ask paying passengers what is wrong with them, and frankly, given the disdain posters display of passengers that potentially "get away with it" I can understand why they would issue guidance against flight attendants from inquiring.

Imagine the passenger experience of being asked by the GA then FA then purser "what's wrong with them?" in a suspicious fashion.

That being said just eliminate the whole spectacle of special handling IMO. If you can't walk the length of a plane in a reasonable time, you probably shouldn't fly.
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Old 05-15-2015 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Not quite true but almost true. There are very much "commonsense" rules and exceptions. For example, service dogs are allowed in the hospital, but not on our OR floors, chemo rooms where immunosuppressed patients may be, etc. They can't be where food is being prepared.

I'm sure that the airlines could get more legal leeway but the "black eye" they would get from the histrionic lawsuits that would follow is not worth it. I'm frankly surprised they allow non-service animals in the cabin.
I meant nobody can ban them from places where the general public has access. They're not allowed in the cockpit or the control room of a nuclear missile submarine either.

Airlines don't want bad publicity, and even more importantly they want to sell tickets...even at the risk of annoying their employees other customers. They will turn a blind eye until something really bad happens.
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Old 05-15-2015 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by LNL76
You're not permitted to ask what one's disability is, soooo, the loophole is huge in the ADA. If someone claims they need a "support animal" to fly, they get away with it.
Actually an employer or merchant could ask for details to

1) Ensure they properly accommodate the peron's needs and

2) To verify that accommodation is legitimately required. Although it seems like it, we're not required to provide accommodations to anyone and everyone just because they ask for it. It's legally reasonable to require verification..even though the media would say otherwise
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Old 05-15-2015 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
There's a difference between a true service animal and "emotional support" pets.

Emotional support pets can be anything and are generally allowed in places other animals may not be such as restaurants. Service animals are highly trained and individually certified to behave in a safe manner in pretty much all situations.

Nobody can ban service animals. Airlines could ban emotional support pets who are not properly certified as actual service animals...but they just kind of wink at the pax, collect their fares, and let the crews deal with it.

Yup I meant to write emotional support pet..thanks


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