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Old 01-05-2016, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick View Post
Sorry you didn't get on. It is likely that everyone scheduled was on the aircraft early. As soon as the last peep is on that agent closed it out. Perhaps they were trying to push early. But my main point is that they aren't going to open the process back up after close out. Not for a jumpseater. The agents whole world revolves around getting that flight closed out on time. An early closeout is preferred and opening the process back up can only go bad for them.

I'm sure you know all this and still won't agree. But they are under job pressure that you are not. Their goals are not your goals. When there is a conflict, your goals will usually lose. Better luck next time and good luck finding a base that doesn't require a jumpseat ride.
Yeah, thanks, 717A. Btw, I had a Compass E70A one time when I ran up to the gate just 10 prior, the gate agent said they were closed, so I just went to the window and the E70A saw me. She made a hand motion signal, and I made a gesture to my watch and shrugged. She came up and got the agent to list me and told him we wouldn't leave until I was on. The flight still pushed on time.

Now I'm not expecting every single "A" to do that but just as you said 'I'm sure you know' I'm also sure you know that you have the power to do this too. You the A run your ship, not some gate agent. Of course I don't blame the pilots in this particular case. Had they seen me through the window I've no doubt one would have come up and gotten me on. Maybe except you

No worries, I've been in the industry just enough to always be professional, smile, and just take the next flight. Still doesn't mean a pilot won't complain on APC
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Old 01-05-2016, 01:30 PM
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Same here. Got denied a js by an agent 15 minutes before push. Along with me there was a young Mom and baby who had been trying unsuccessfully to non-rev all day. I went to the window and saw the Capt. was an acquaintance and tapped my watch.

He got out of his seat and came up to the boarding area. When I told him the situation, he went to the agent and said, "I'm going to take a dump. I'll be back in five minutes and when I get here, I expect very seat on the airplane including the Jumpseat to be full," and walked off.

She and the baby got the last seat in back and I got the Jumpseat to work.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:04 PM
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I nominate the male flight attendant on my Alaska airlines deadhead today. After the landing, which was a little harder than usual but just fine, in wind and rain, and lower visibility wx, he made his PA. He started with a loud, long sigh. Then he said, "Well after THAT landing, we're here". And finished his speech while the passengers were laughing. It was really rude, aggravated me, and made me think of how glad I am not to have to deal with flight attendants. I wanted to tell him what a douche he was, but didn't see him upon exiting.

I will probably send Alaska a complaint, however I don't know if that does any good. It was really condescending and disrespectful.
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
For today the DL gate agents for closing the door 20 early. I ran after a flight and got there 15 prior and it was "too late." No weather issues, no GDP, no plane waiting for the gate, no viable issue to close 20 prior? It's one thing if the plane does indeed push back 15 early. But a little confusing to understand how the jetbridge can be hooked up to the airplane and no one going anywhere, and they are standing there and then the official out time is 7 prior. Listing a pilot and walking down the jetbridge wouldn't take that long, maybe a couple minutes at most. If they accepted to list/take me, they would have still pushed back 7 early. It's only a little frustrating because in the past I had a DL jumpseat and literally at the 15 minute mark a DL guy showed up and I lost the JS. No complaints there, I get that's JS priority allowed up to 15 prior for a DL guy.

I'm in the industry and know how it works. But this was a first for a 20 prior denial at 15. Oh well, better luck next time.




Shy:

You MIGHT be a bit confused on the DAL J/S policy. The 15 minutes prior to scheduled or delayed departure time will hold a J/S reservation for a DAL pilot. If another DAL pilot is standing by for the J/S and the reso pilot is late, the standby should get the seat. (I watch the clock like a hawk, and have asked the agent what time they have, just to be sure I get the seat, as the standby.)

If there's an OAL pilot waiting and checked in with the agent, a DAL pilot can get the J/S, even without a reservation and within 15 minutes, IF accommodating the DAL pilot doesn't delay departure. (I'd paste the text from our FOM, but that's frowned on by DAL.)

As for closing out early, I'd make note of the agent's name, date, flight, etc... and report it to my CPO, (DAL), especially if it cost me a hotel stay!

Good Luck to all on commuting!

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Old 01-05-2016, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DFW Refugee View Post






Shy:

You MIGHT be a bit confused on the DAL J/S policy. The 15 minutes prior to scheduled or delayed departure time will hold a J/S reservation for a DAL pilot. If another DAL pilot is standing by for the J/S and the reso pilot is late, the standby should get the seat. (I watch the clock like a hawk, and have asked the agent what time they have, just to be sure I get the seat, as the standby.)

If there's an OAL pilot waiting and checked in with the agent, a DAL pilot can get the J/S, even without a reservation and within 15 minutes, IF accommodating the DAL pilot doesn't delay departure. (I'd paste the text from our FOM, but that's frowned on by DAL.)

As for closing out early, I'd make note of the agent's name, date, flight, etc... and report it to my CPO, (DAL), especially if it cost me a hotel stay!

Good Luck to all on commuting!

had that happen a few months ago...agent came to close the door and i got pulled off by a last minute show....all part of the game.
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Old 01-05-2016, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
I disagree. It seems that your are most definitely today's tool, doc.
What? Why do you disagree?
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Old 01-05-2016, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by busdriver12 View Post
I nominate the male flight attendant on my Alaska airlines deadhead today. After the landing, which was a little harder than usual but just fine, in wind and rain, and lower visibility wx, he made his PA. He started with a loud, long sigh. Then he said, "Well after THAT landing, we're here". And finished his speech while the passengers were laughing. It was really rude, aggravated me, and made me think of how glad I am not to have to deal with flight attendants. I wanted to tell him what a douche he was, but didn't see him upon exiting.

I will probably send Alaska a complaint, however I don't know if that does any good. It was really condescending and disrespectful.
Obviously I wasn't there, but pax in the back don't mind, and might actually like it. That sounds like just a bit of levity. I have been in back when the captain / FO himself has said something similar after a hard landing, something like "we wanted to wake you all up for the arrival" and people start laughing. I would not take it seriously.

If a nurse lightly 'disses me in front of people, as long as people laugh and it is not serious, I don't mind. I'm in charge, and my ego is not fragile.

Don't complain unless the FA did other things wrong too or was actually disrespectful or mean-spirited.
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Old 01-05-2016, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats View Post
I always kick the front two tires. Hard to see if one is flat when so little weight is on them to show it. A little kick lets me know.

Learned that the hard way years ago.
Tru Dat.

Truck drivers do this too. When there's more than one wheel on the bogie, the good one can hold up the bad one and hide an essentially depressurized tire.
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Old 01-05-2016, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd View Post
Obviously I wasn't there, but pax in the back don't mind, and might actually like it. That sounds like just a bit of levity. I have been in back when the captain / FO himself has said something similar after a hard landing, something like "we wanted to wake you all up for the arrival" and people start laughing. I would not take it seriously.

If a nurse lightly 'disses me in front of people, as long as people laugh and it is not serious, I don't mind. I'm in charge, and my ego is not fragile.

Don't complain unless the FA did other things wrong too or was actually disrespectful or mean-spirited.
I guess that's a positive attitude! I deadhead all the time, and have never heard a flight attendant come across so rude. I guess it was starting out with the long, loud, disgusted sigh that got my blood pressure going up.
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Old 01-05-2016, 09:12 PM
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Oh, I got one.

The other day, going into a wet runway in SNA in a CRJ-200 (no slats, so your Vref speeds are quite a bit higher than you'd expect for such a small jet), right at max landing weight, with lousy gusty crosswinds, my captain planted it on pretty firmly...just as she should have, given the crosswinds and the short, wet runway. It was a firm arrival but by no means a teeth-knocked-loose kind of landing.

Anyhow, as we leave the jetbridge, a female passenger is standing there, and she says to me, in a very snarky tone of voice, "By any chance, are you both former naval aviators?"

It took a few seconds for me to grasp what she was asking. (Actually, I have to admit, what she said was kind of funny. It was the way she said it that got my blood boiling.) My CA gave the lady a look that could have frozen a bucket of Type IV...
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