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01-08-2016 | 06:35 PM
#7421
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From: Seat: Vegan friendly faux leather
Hardly.
Cowboy? Go play with yourself on your Microsoft flight sim and stop bothering real pilots. Like I said, you have no clue. You don't know the program, you don't know the training and you don't know the background of the guys in the program.
Many pilots have a regular law enforcement background. Many more have experience with weapons or a martial arts background. Most of the guys who got into the program to skip the TSA line left after KCM. Those that stayed put up with a lot for zero compensation. So I'd be careful with characterizing a group when you don't know a thing about them. You are stereotyping. Just like I think all doctors who fly GA are flaming a-holes.
Cowboy? Go play with yourself on your Microsoft flight sim and stop bothering real pilots. Like I said, you have no clue. You don't know the program, you don't know the training and you don't know the background of the guys in the program.
Many pilots have a regular law enforcement background. Many more have experience with weapons or a martial arts background. Most of the guys who got into the program to skip the TSA line left after KCM. Those that stayed put up with a lot for zero compensation. So I'd be careful with characterizing a group when you don't know a thing about them. You are stereotyping. Just like I think all doctors who fly GA are flaming a-holes.
Look cactus, I do see your point of view, and I recognize the varied participants. Why do the ones that stay, stay? It is a fantasy that having a known armed crewmember would seal security holes without opening up legion more. Cowboy mentality, enabled by bad policy, and only a subset of fervent participants, as you reference, continue to participate and "put up with a lot."
You are welcome to share some scenarios and a good analysis where you think that having a pilot carry a gun on a commercial airliner behind a locked door would be a net advantage, in a new thread. Or just call all doctors a-holes instead. Attacking for stating the obvious is pretty silly.
Fortunately I predict the program will be ended pretty shortly, and rightly so.
I see why other fellow pilots are reluctant to bring up touchy subjects, despite the vast majority having identical feelings to me. I don't have to spend hours with a potentially armed hothead in a tiny room, and if I did I might not express my views in the same way. As others here have said, though, sometimes it is good to break the echo-chamber. We doctors need and do that often.
I am a gun owner myself, but the post-1990's NRA and increasingly crazy carry-your-gun-everywhere extremists left me, and most people dedicated to healing, a long long time ago.
01-08-2016 | 06:36 PM
#7422
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From: Seat: Vegan friendly faux leather
Like cardiomd eloquently said, they're nervous. They probably don't like flying to begin with and are anxious. And some of our brother's haven't exactly been behaving in a manner that fills them with a warm and fuzzy feeling when surrendering their lives and all control to us. I never take it personally and spin it back as a joke with a big smile and then engage them in small talk and personal attention. It works great to put them at ease.
01-09-2016 | 08:21 AM
#7423
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Joined: May 2012
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You have been told to Shut-F-U and "run along" by those with intimate knowledge of the program and airline security issues yet the only retort you have is the endless yapping about "hot headed cowboys" like some stoned unlicensed herbal healer who endlessly yaps that all Doctors are "quacks".
Now you want to have an internet round table in an open forum discussing detailed security issues in an airline cockpit?
Run along now and fantasize with some of those Cessna pilot books like "There I was IMC at Flight Level 180 in a Partially Occluded Warm Front in my P210"
01-09-2016 | 08:29 AM
#7425
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From: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Your above statement is a complete explanation why you have your head up your arse, yet continue with your arrogant as well as ignorant pontificating about the pros and cons of the FFDO program without a shred of detailed knowledge of day to day operations and current airline security issues.
You have been told to Shut-F-U and "run along" by those with intimate knowledge of the program and airline security issues yet the only retort you have is the endless yapping about "hot headed cowboys" like some stoned unlicensed herbal healer who endlessly yaps that all Doctors are "quacks".
Now you want to have an internet round table in an open forum discussing detailed security issues in an airline cockpit?
Run along now and fantasize with some of those Cessna pilot books like "There I was IMC at Flight Level 180 in a Partially Occluded Warm Front in my P210"
You have been told to Shut-F-U and "run along" by those with intimate knowledge of the program and airline security issues yet the only retort you have is the endless yapping about "hot headed cowboys" like some stoned unlicensed herbal healer who endlessly yaps that all Doctors are "quacks".
Now you want to have an internet round table in an open forum discussing detailed security issues in an airline cockpit?
Run along now and fantasize with some of those Cessna pilot books like "There I was IMC at Flight Level 180 in a Partially Occluded Warm Front in my P210"
01-09-2016 | 08:32 AM
#7426
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You just can't get enough of yourself can you?
You must have some lengthy sessions in front of the mirror pontificating about yourself.
You take the "Hoot of the Day" award to be sure.
01-09-2016 | 08:46 AM
#7427
Banned
Joined: Jul 2015
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From: systems analyst
Your above statement is a complete explanation why you have your head up your arse, yet continue with your arrogant as well as ignorant pontificating about the pros and cons of the FFDO program without a shred of detailed knowledge of day to day operations and current airline security issues.
You have been told to Shut-F-U and "run along" by those with intimate knowledge of the program and airline security issues yet the only retort you have is the endless yapping about "hot headed cowboys" like some stoned unlicensed herbal healer who endlessly yaps that all Doctors are "quacks".
Now you want to have an internet round table in an open forum discussing detailed security issues in an airline cockpit?
Run along now and fantasize with some of those Cessna pilot books like "There I was IMC at Flight Level 180 in a Partially Occluded Warm Front in my P210"
You have been told to Shut-F-U and "run along" by those with intimate knowledge of the program and airline security issues yet the only retort you have is the endless yapping about "hot headed cowboys" like some stoned unlicensed herbal healer who endlessly yaps that all Doctors are "quacks".
Now you want to have an internet round table in an open forum discussing detailed security issues in an airline cockpit?
Run along now and fantasize with some of those Cessna pilot books like "There I was IMC at Flight Level 180 in a Partially Occluded Warm Front in my P210"
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