TonyC

As soon as you get your Mickey, we'll Go Active. Meanwhile, Check 45 left and descend to 5 angels, you have chicks at 12 o'clock. Strangle your Parrot, acknowledge with a Zipper.


I'm not denying it's used in the military -- but not everything we used in the military carries over to civilian flying. As far as I know, "flash" is not standard terminology in the "AIM world."



The first time I left my UPT base on a cross country, I was taught how to contact clearance delivery and get a clearance. "Clearance delivery, Cobra One Three, I - F - R to Altus, Clearance on Request." From that point on, I always used that phraseology, and I even taught it when I went back to be an Instructor.

The Glossary in FAA-H-8083-25A, affectionately known as "Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge", says that "Clearance on request" is "an IFR clearance not yet received after filing a flight plan." In other words, it's the Controller's phrase telling you that he doesn't have your clearance yet, so he can't give it to you. Again, it's not a pilot phrase, it's a controller phrase. When he gets your clearance, you're likely to hear, "Cobra One Three, I have your clearance, advise ready to copy."

The correct phraseology for a pilot to request a clearance is ... get this ... "request clearance." What we should have learned, and should have taught, is "Clearance Delivery, Cobra One Three, Request clearance to Altus."



It's not wrong, it's just redundant, and it can clutter a frequency. AIM 4-3-14.b. states, "The tower controller will consider that pilots of turbine-powered aircraft are ready for takeoff when they reach the runway or warm-up block unless advised otherwise." After all, they have no magnetos to check.



Old habits die hard.


... even harder if you don't want 'em to die.






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Thedude

Every so often I get it going into AMS and LGG.

USMCFLYR

I can go to angels 5 and even throw in a cherub or two if needed

I just may have to incorporate that into my own comm.

There are times when I'm not ready to go when I reach the hold short - even without magnetos I think my call for takeoff and 'flash' will be hanging around for just a little while longer.

TonyC

That's the exception envisioned with the language, "... unless advised otherwise."

A now-famous example is recorded in the tapes of the OZ 214 crash at SFO, where an aircraft taxiing to 28L (United 885, a B-747-400) advises tower that they'll need a few minutes.






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9780991975808

Seems to be spreading. Not good. Let's hope the pilots over there will step on it quick, before it multiplies.

Adlerdriver

I don't care for the possessive callsign format that I hear now and then:

"Delta's 121, FL350"
"United's 234, turn right heading 300"

Very strange.

LostInPA

I'm with you, Adler. My grammar (insert name of thankfully outlawed Western European political party) tendencies come out on full display when I hear one of these. (I know, nominate me for TOTD).

Why stop with possessives? Plurals could be just as fun. "Delta's Connection......or Delta Connections?"

atpwannabe

Agree with "roger" & "wilco" post. If the terminology is used correctly....nothing wrong with that!


atp

pokey9554

They're using it all wrong anyway. They should be saying:

"Bank of America's 121 FLXXX"
"Wells Fargo's 234 turn right to XXX"

MK14 Mod 0

On 121.50....the guard police.
"You're on guard."
Please....so are you....shut up!