Terms that annoy you on the radio
10-01-2013, 03:16 PM
#111
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Originally Posted by exdashtrash
You're too grumpy. I'm a 3 direction FO. If the controller tells me more than 3 things (heading, alt, speed, new freq, etc.), I'll forget the last thing which is usually the flight number. So instead of stumbling through the flight number, I'll just trail off or mumble.
10-01-2013, 03:44 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by PDK1011
My pet peeve will always be "here comes the flash". You're not taking a picture loser. Hitting the ident button acknowledges their "Eight Alpha Foxtrot, ident" request.
The "here comes the" part is extraneous, but the 'flash' is comm brevity that many military bring with them.
10-01-2013, 08:01 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Unless the pilot didn't hear it or didn't understand it.
The "here comes the" part is extraneous, but the 'flash' is comm brevity that many military bring with them.
The "here comes the" part is extraneous, but the 'flash' is comm brevity that many military bring with them.
10-01-2013, 09:02 PM
#114
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
The "here comes the" part is extraneous, but the 'flash' is comm brevity that many military bring with them.
The instruction should be acknowledged. If brevity is the goal, try responding with the callsign or N-number. It's not a bad time to include a "Wilco."
If someone can show me where "flash" is standard terminology, I'll stand corrected.
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10-02-2013, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by EasternATC
Numbers, I didn't quite get all this, but you're from north of the border, right? You are absolutely correct about being told to "check in with your speed," etc. It's a crappy habit too many controllers use today, for various reasons; no one should tolerate it.
10-02-2013, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by savall
Let 'em "pull the tapes" then...
It was my understanding that final authority always lies with the cp in the US unless it is a TA. Is it a new regulation that you must always comply with ATC ? Or are you specifically talking about getting a shortcut direct to..?
It was my understanding that final authority always lies with the cp in the US unless it is a TA. Is it a new regulation that you must always comply with ATC ? Or are you specifically talking about getting a shortcut direct to..?
"Compliance with Air Traffic Control Instructions and Clearances
602.31 (1) Subject to subsection (3), the pilot-in command of an aircraft shall
(a) comply with and acknowledge, to the appropriate air traffic control unit, all of the air traffic control instructions directed to and received by the pilot-in-command; and..."
"(3) The pilot-in-command of an aircraft may deviate from an air traffic control clearance or an air traffic control instruction to the extent necessary to carry out a collision avoidance manoeuvre, where the manoeuvre is carried out
(a) in accordance with a resolution advisory generated by an Airborne Collision Avoidance System (ACAS) or a Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance System (TCAS); or
(b) in response to a warning from a Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) on board the aircraft."
(http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/regserv/cars/part6-602-2436.htm)
(I wrote my FAA ATP exams over a half a century ago, so I don't remember what the regs are down there anymore. I suspect they're similar)
10-02-2013, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
That's not the only bad habit or incorrect procedure that "many military bring with them." Many put their "clearance on request" and report ready for departure (in their turbojet) upon reaching the active. It's not ALL their fault -- that's the way they were taught.
The instruction should be acknowledged. If brevity is the goal, try responding with the callsign or N-number. It's not a bad time to include a "Wilco."
If someone can show me where "flash" is standard terminology, I'll stand corrected.
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The instruction should be acknowledged. If brevity is the goal, try responding with the callsign or N-number. It's not a bad time to include a "Wilco."
If someone can show me where "flash" is standard terminology, I'll stand corrected.
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OPERATIONAL BREVITY WORDS AND TERMINOLOGY
This link shows 'Flash' in the context we were discussing.
Can you explain why 'Clearance on request' or reporting ready for departure are wrong (and you specifically mention turbojets)?
You're right. Much of it is what I was taught and much of it is what I have used for 20+ years and it has worked with no problems. I've tried to de-militarize some of my comm since I left the military but some I'll keep.
Speaking of annoying.......at my home field of KOKC, it is always on the ATIS and published on the airfield diagram that the "Ramps are uncontrolled. Do not call for push/power back. Advise grd con when ready for taxi"
http://skyvector.com/files/tpp/1310/pdf/00301AD.PDF
How many times do you think crews still call? (Rhetorical)
10-02-2013, 05:41 AM
#119
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Regarding readbacks and acknowledgments, forget it on ramp/apron/ground/tower control at some busy airports. E.g. "XX123 contact departure; YY456 cleared for takeoff; ZZ789 taxi to position be ready to go; ..." On the ground, you're expected to switch frequency when you reach the spot buried somewhere in the notes of page XX of your approach plates - as revised by NOTAM #YY - listen for your call sign, and do what the the controller tells you or lose your slot. Go with the flow and risk a violation (see above, post #117), or stick to the regs and you can be sure someone will be all over you. Your choice: spotless record or chow for the kids.
10-02-2013, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by PDK1011
My pet peeve will always be "here comes the flash". You're not taking a picture loser. Hitting the ident button acknowledges their "Eight Alpha Foxtrot, ident" request.
I was on frequency where this foreign guy and a controller were trying to troubleshoot a transponder, and because the guy didn't say he pushed ident, it was this comical back-and-forth for 3 minutes, embarrassing.
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