Are you saying end 202 SWA buys Alaska?

 

Don't get your hopes up. SWA has looked at the AS books a couple times and decided we were too expensive. Now that we spent $4B for VX AS is REALLY too expensive.

 

You obviously don’t know the Hawaii market. No loyalty there

 

Just a ****ed off ex-Aloha'er…

I'm sure a majority of your former co-workers aren't complaining. Most are 330 Captains, and a large group are check airmen, instructors and a chief pilot. A huge swath of ex-Aloha'ers were hired in 2008-2010. Putting them in the 25% range on the seniority list. Nope no loyalty there If I remember correctly wasn't there a group of Aloha pilots basking in the thought that it was Aloha that was going to buy Hawaiian? I'm sure there were a few Aloha pilots blacklisted? Maybe you were one of them?

Hell Aloha Cargo pilots still have a inside track at the limited # of jobs available. (and rightly so) And most if not all of them weren't around during the original Aloha years.

As long as SWA is still charging $175 for a OGG-HNL tix, I'm not too concerned.

I noticed the SWA thread has been quiet for 2 days now... Hmm wonder if your "long haul" MAX8 has anything to do with it? The CULT is strong over there... "First rule of SWA......we don't talk about SWA when there is negative news"

 

I agree with everything you say here about the world after 2008, but I think you misinterpreted the post, which I don't think was fuelled by AQoolaide. The lack of loyalty is clear when you hear locals complain about getting "ripped off" on interisland fares, even though they're cheaper than most PDX-SEA, SFO-SMF, LAX-LAS, etc., etc... I just checked BOS-LGA for day after tomorrow and it's $455r/t. Think HA could get away with that for HNL-ITO?

 

Looks to me like you have much to learn about what you're trying to sound smart about. Sometimes, it's better to read, study some history and have a modicum of humility before opening your yapper confirming you have zero clue.

You can start here:

https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Paradis.../dp/0970159447

Then go a tad more into detail about the post 9/11 world in Hawaii, the failed merger, Hawaiian's 2003 bankruptcy, Aloha's 2004 bankruptcy and the aftermath of both going into 2008. That's some fascinating reading, and it's enlightening. If you had any clue about it, you wouldn't be spouting off like you are.

As for Opakapaka, I'd say he probably forgot more than some Comair/NetJets kid now at Hawaiian ever knew.

 

I have nothing against Aloha at all... If you are referring to my comment about a handful of their pilots "thumping their chest" about buying out Hawaiian back in the mid 2000's.. I guess the Hawaiian pilots who told me this were flat out lying.

As far as Opakapaka, his previous posts on this thread have done nothing but confirm he holds a grudge against Hawaiian. And every statement he makes here is with the biased he has formed from his time at Aloha towards the end.

I probably won't shop for your book on Amazon concerning the post 9/11 world in Hawaii. I lived/worked through it on the mainland. Congrats you've pegged me for a Comair/Netjets guy.. Now figure out where I was at pre-9/11 or post Delta bankruptcy.

 

You misenterpeted my post. I know every one of the AQ hires at HAL and like them all. My mention of no loyalty was meant to the locals. I thought being the local carrier meant something when Mesa came out. Looks like $19 ow fares trump the local carrier. We can coexist no prob. As I’ve mentioned to my friends there, Alaska has the most to lose not HAL. Am I still tainted when a few of you touted Victory when we folded, SURE. You would too! BTW, get over the lecture of you’re probably upset you didn’t get hired speech cause of blacklisted. That just shows your large EGO. BTW, if you knew your sh$t you’d know Aloha’s net worth was more then Hawaiians at the time of merger talks. Do your due diligence before you spout off your thought. Maybe you too carried the victory flag. (Hmm wonder if your "long haul" MAX8 has anything to do with it?) WOW....really? I rest my case regarding EGO. Below the belt hit.... You should enjoy the competition because this makes companies stronger. Cheers

 

HAL by far.

 

In the mid-2000's, both airlines were struggling to survive and they just walked away from a merger a few years prior. Talking about either one buying the other was at best, cockpit CEO talk... especially with Mesa/go!'s impending market entry.

Clearly, you don't know your own airline's history outside of cockpit. If you did, you wouldn't be talking. You'd be listening, you'd engage constructively and you'd drop the cockiness.

It's not my book, but it is a book that virtually every pilot based in Hawaii should have. I was hoping for the newest edition to include the events of 2008, but no such luck. There are some articles on www.airlinesofhawaii.com that carry on after the publishing of the book. But the mere fact that you outright dismiss it just further proves my point about your ignorant cockiness.

As to your last point about your history... you missed the point, again.

I have very limited knowledge about Comair, Delta, or NetJets. I know a bit from my friends and from here, but definitely not enough to get into an argument with someone like yourself who's been there, lived through it, and now talk about it. Instead, I'd listen to you and unless you gave me a reason not to, I'd believe you. If I wanted to research the topic a bit more, I'd go to an unbiased source. But what I wouldn't do would be showing my okole by acting like one.

It's true that Hawaiian took the largest number of laid off Aloha pilots. What you may or may not know is that Southwest is where the second largest group of former Aloha pilots found their new home. Nobody is cheering for Hawaiian to disappear or to be put against the ropes, or suffer yet another difficult period, especially those who had to start over and there are plenty of those in your ranks as well as ours. But when someone who went through this speaks, and you haven't been through it with this airline or in this market, it behooves you listen... you just might learn something new.