1000 tpic seems to be a new requirement. There goes my chance.....again!

Good thing about living in Hawaii.. While the rest of the country slept, I got a head start on the app!!!!!:D


I meet/exceed all of the requirements and preferred requirements.. But on the application they never asked for any specifics like TPIC, or if I had a multi engine rating etc..... Do they just pull the resumes' and figure it out from there? It seems with even a few thousand applications that is a lot of resumes to look at to determine qualifications...


I suppose with referrals and locals, there may be some shorter stacks to pull resumes' from first?

It says preferred not required for the tpic so there is a lot of wiggle room. Same goes for the 4 year degree. In house references make it to the short stack, the others probably get sorted by time/experience etc.

Obviously they will prefer pilots who reside in the islands but...
Will they/have they hired mainlanders who either commute or are able to start trips from the West Coast?

Any idea how they sort through all the resumes/applications without the usual "Flight Time" grid on the application? The application never asked about an ATP, TPIC, 1st Class Medical etc etc.....

I was assuming they don't go through every online application manually?

Maybe there aren't as many referrals, islanders as I thought??

How do you delete an old resume that was uploaded? It seems there are only 3 upload slots and then you cannot update.

Couldn't figure that out either... I accidentaly uploaded the same resume twice.... I didn't want to look computer illiterate, but couldn't delete one of them...

Hopefully when my referral(s) walk in my stuff it becomes a moot point

Gonna be a long 2 weeks for the window to close and even longer waiting for a call if it comes..

BTW do they call or e-mail interview requests?

You don't, haven't been able to for a long time. Just upload a new one and go from there...

Come on reference, get back from your trip and deliver the goods!!:D

You cant upload anything once you have done 3 previous uploads. The option is not there anymore.

I heard they are looking for heavy international time...if so, good news!

Sorry, I meant copy and paste a new resume into the box...

You might want to go through the application again...
It asks if you have an ATP, First Class, PIC Turbine time, SIC turbine time, etc...
And why you want to work there, and your favorite airplane...

What happened is I did the first part of the application. (whatever was provided through the job link "apply to"... went through the whole app. hitting next etc... all the way until it said "Thank you for submitting"....

2 days later I received the e-mail providing a link to the rest of the application. It specifically said to use the link AND NOT to try to edit my profile..

That link had the section to enter flight times, ATP, favorite airplane...

Is this your experience also.. I really don't think I missed it on the first application.... Unless my web browser wasn't working correctly...

Good Luck..

The more I speak with people the more it seems that those living in the islands have had pretty good luck getting atleast to the interview stage...

Tanker Driver,

The short answer is yes, they have hired mainlanders, but the longer answer is they usually have significant or tangible ties to the island. Schedules are not conducive to commuting, especially with preferrential bidding. While there are some junior pilots that commute, new hires and junior guys do not generally have as much flexability as they might wish to derrive reasonable commuting schedules. There is a SEA base but it's extremely senior and not a possibility for junior crewmembers. Trips begin and end in HNL so starting a trip from the West coast is not really a viable option either. In general you'll be happier with your quality of life if you're willing to relocate to the island. Hawaii is different....in almost all respects....so relocation is something that requires an understanding of the history, culture, and realities of life in the islands. Previous threads have shed some light on these things; you may wish to do a search on related topics.

Thanks for some good info Captfurlough.

If you are awarded 717 in groundschool, what is the seatlock before you can bid FO 76/330?

From my research on flight schedules etc.. I agree 100%... From my understanding, on the -330 or -76 you typically do 5-6 3 days trips a month.(what I was told from a friend there). Even if you lived on the West Coast you'd have to come in the night before OR risk taking a flight the same day that gets you in shortly before your scheduled duty. Definitely correct me if I'm wrong..

Also agree with living in the islands.... I've been here 2 years. You definitely get island fever on the neighbor islands. HNL has more going on, but also has a crap load of people/traffic etc. I was at the A.M. Mall the other day. Absolutely insane how packed it was. We've adjusted to living here pretty well. But the "dream" of living in Hawaii is different than the reality at times. We love it but mileage may vary. It's much easier to say "Honey pack up we're moving to HI" than to actually do it.

It seems everyone I've talked to that lives here has applied and interviewed at Hawaiian at some point. I've seen 4 co-workers leave for Hawaiian this year. 2 of them had absolutely no recommendations but did live on the B.I... and a few others interviewed but unfortunately didn't hear back yet... But there has to be a reason they specifically ask if you live in hawaii on the application.

Has anyone received an email invite for phase 3? How bad would it look if you couldn't make it there on 2 days notice and asked for another date (if that's even possible)? If you turn down the phase 3 this time are you pretty much blacklisted? (I have a good reason - on active duty orders as a reservist.) Also, does anyone know how soon they're putting people into classes once hired?

When I interviewed last year they asked me if I would move to Hawaii. I said no...that I would live on the West Coast initially. When they asked why, I said that it would be unreasonable to expect one to take care of their family on a first year salary of about $33,000 per year pre-tax with the cost of living in Hawaii taken into account. Never got a call back from them...I wonder why?

Because you broke rule #1 of airline interviews... play their game.

Hey Kalyx,
did you just get a phase 3 invite this week?

Can someone high-light what and how many phases there are in Hawaiian's process? Also, what has been the typical time line? Thanks!

PtP

When I submitted my app. online I immediately received an auto-generated "you have not been selected for an interview at this time," email. Anyone else get this, too? The only question I had to answer "no" to was the 2,500 hours, but I thought that was only preferred and not required.

Just a very unedumacated guess, but I assume that the preferred "but not an absolute hard minimum" applies to those who have some tight connections at HAL.... Or military guys???Kinda of a loophole for the head of trainings' cousins nephews brother-in-law...

I happen to well exceed all items and have not received any e-mails, so the 2500 hrs. could be the reason?? What does the website say about having received your application? Mine says "received" as of May 25th. Is yours different?

The rumor was 2500 would be minimum. Keep on it for next year though, at least you do not have to worry about interviewing with a d- like king air!

Yes.
Palmtree - to my knowledge there are 3. I heard back about 3 months after I applied. I did phase 1 and 2 on two consecutive days back in the fall and then almost didn't hear a peep until now which is 8-9 months later. Phase 1 is a panel interview + PCATD flying profile and Phase 2 was a written test + group interview (if I remember correctly). During those 9 months, I did receive have a single phone call asking one question for clarification from the interview, and one email saying classes were filled at this time (the same email described by others previously).

I'm sorry I didn't realize I had signed up for FI.com...........

If I had received the same e-mail as PBone with in excess of the 2500 hrs, then we could have determined it wasn't the 2500 requirement that generated the e-mail.

Maybe he's never applied to an airline before? Or maybe he hasn't experienced how things sometimes work when you know someone high up in a company. (I don't, I'm a regular applicant like everyone else). IMO there has to be a reason they give minimums and attach a "preferred" to them. IMO it it is there as a hard minimum except for those with some really good connections to HAL.

Either way, I am curious as to why he received the e-mail. If someone with more than the minimums receives one I'd be very interested to know that information as well and hopefully they will post here to inform us.

But if you think that I am being a d___ for posting a theory then by all means have at it.

The minimum experience level of 2500 hours was increased from 1500 hours because a new hire might become an IRO .... second in command....on an international flight over the middle of the pacific on a widebody....and that's an entirely reasonable minimum. (ie Air France.) If you have less than that amount of time you're just beginning your career...that doesn't mean that Hawaiian would not be interested in you...it just means that you should continue to build experience and keep applying!

Nimubusurfer....commuting from the west coast MIGHT be possible, but it would not be easy or desireable. There's no way of knowing what airplane you'd be assigned to...and the 717 schedule is not conducive to commuting. Even within the widebody fleet, new hires (and junior pilots) don't have the scheduling seniority, muscle or flexibility to build schedules for commuting. Those that have tried are generally disappointed. It's easy to understand why the company prefers a good match....if an employee is happy they're likely to stay, and the considerable training investment is reasonable. If a guy is not happy then everybody loses. Everyone has to be honest in the equation to achieve a good result. There are a number of guys in crash pads that make it work...it's an additional expense to be sure, but being available in the islands is doable and workable for not too much money. In the future, as your seniority improves over a few years, commuting will become somewhat realistic, though never really advantageous. The short term...2 to 3 years..of being in the islands would be a reasonable committment in terms of beginning an excellent career!!!

My advice to everyone....be honest in the application process, in considering what the job is and what it means to you in terms of your personal situation and quality of life. Don't "play the game".....be true to yourself!!!

I turned down a phase III and got another chance, albeit 3 months later and extremely fortunate to have it.

Email for all 3 phases

I've searched but haven't come up with any Hawaiian retirement numbers per year... anyone have any info they're willing to post?

Wait, are you telling me that first year pay at an airline sucks? What a revelation.

I'm thankful that my first year pay at Southwest is nearly double what it would have been at HAL. Lighten up man.

So it seems that, unless you are a native islander, have mega connections at HAL or have some squadron buddies pulling for you, chances are you won't be getting a call for interview even with times far north of the mins.....

Not trying to be a pessimist here but thats the vibe I get from all the posts I am reading. :(

aside from the native part, isn't that kinda the way it is every where?

No, not in the least. Most places, sure, it gives you a leg up...but it seems like at Hawaiian its all or nothing. It has a reputation

If you're qualified, and understand the cultural sensitivies, cost of living, relative isolation, and other island issues, and are still interested, by all means apply and compete! Be willing to put a lot of work into it, and you'll get an outstanding career out of it!

I'm not a native or a local and had zero connections. Still got invited to the interview AND phase 3. However, my dream in life is to settle down in Hawaii and I made that clear during the interview. As far as getting hired who knows what would've happened if I would've been able to make it to that last phase... If you're qualified, you never know.

They hired a Usair pilot 4 years ago. He quit within the first month after finding out he would not be captain within a year. Guys like him don't help the mainlanders get hired.
Its a good gig with a good retirement plan, a lot of growth in the future. Management is still management, but they do seem to know what they are doing. It is not for everyone and I would not recommend commuting since it is so far from even the west coast.