I can understand the hotel. But a standby ticket on there airline. That's a little strange. Even the Regionals will give you a standby ticket.

Thats the way Hawaiian operates. I know guys that had to drop close to a grand for a ticket because of the short notice interview.

Hawaiian knows there are a TON of guys/gals out there that would kill to work there (me included) and the competition is stiff. It shows how commited you are to wanting to join the family.

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How quickly does the thanks but no thanks email come out?
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It's sad to read this, because I hate hearing about another company that wants to be cheap-ass.

Ultimately, it's just another airline that will do without my services. I'd love to live in Hawaii and fly for them, but I will not cover costs that should be born by the (potential) employer. They can ask whatever the market will bear, and that is their right. However, I will not subsidize them on my end. I have made other arrangements which suit me just fine - I'm really not complaining. It just still surprises me how Mickey-Mouse even legacy carriers can be these days.

Cue SkyHigh on how utterly worthless the airline dream has become...

No it doesn't! Dumbest thing I've ever heard. Got a guy at my present company, who paid for his B747 type and got hired as a walk-in during a new hire class. Just because he had enough money to buy a type rating; doesn't belie the fact that he's a bonehead - money doesn't have anything to do with being committed!

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They don't provide tickets because that is an easy free flight to Hawaii. You are always welcome on the jumpseat. If you don't want to that's fine.

Aug. 7 class had 8 pilots for A330 (some are non ex-Aloha). Aug. 23 class will have approx. 20 pilots for all 3 fleet types. Seniority based on last 4 of SSN.

A hand-full of the Phase III folks asked to come back and re-take the 900 question psych test. Once you clear psych test, the shrink's personal phone interview and your psych report is submitted, should get a job offer!

I did the shrink phone interview last week, still no word!

In this day and age I am surprised more companies are not conducting video interviews, especially when they wont provide tickets to fly guys out to HI several times for the interview phases. I know HAL uses video interviews for other employees, so why not extend it to potential pilots.

That's great.

What if you're furloughed or not currently employed by a 121 carrier?

A free ticket to Hawaii and a hotel room should be just a cost of doing business. Alternatively, they could conduct the interviews on the mainland.

I really don't mean to impugn Hawaiian - I'd love to work there. I probably won't get ever get called anyhow since I don't have any strong ties to the islands other than having flown there many times. Unfortunately, due to circumstances even if I was called I couldn't afford to go interview, and that shouldn't be the determining factor in whether a company hires an individual or not.

That's great, but I am furloughed from a 121 carrier. When your feeding a family of 4 living on unemployment. Buying a ticket to an interview for a job that if you get you might not start class 12 months later, is tough to budget. Even a buddy pass to HNL is in the 400 range.

I know of several HAL pilots were furloughed, many years back, who were given tickets to interview on the mainland.

That's the logic you see from guys going to the Regionals. Spending over a thousand dollars to interview, does not show commitment to the family.

I know it sucks but there are two factors at work here. As was previously said, it would be too easy to be abused. Can you imagine how many people would want to interview just for the free ticket to have a vacation in Hawaii.. even tho they're not interested in the job? Then it'd be even harder to get an interview because even more people are applying just to scam the system.

The other issue is as long as people are showing up for the interview then their system is working. Do you really think they care if you're furloughed or cant get out there when there are 20 other people that can make it? When the great pilot shortage happens and they have a hard time finding applicants, then things will change.

Great, thats a really useless story. Its not about the money, its about the effort. Don't get your panties in a wad because Hawaiian runs their process the way they do. If its a problem, so be it. Move on.

All I am saying is that is pretty disappointing that HAL won't put you in the back of one of there own planes for an interview. I don't know of anyother scheduled 121 passenger carrying airline that does that. If other carriers recipitate the same. Where do you think the HAL furloughs would have gone?

FYI thrust monkey - a lot of there pilots don't like the interviewing process.

Understandable and I agree it stinks. But......its the process they use. Either accept it or not. Simple.

Ultimately I agree, but I think it is unfortunate that Hawaiian is in all probability missing out on some outstanding candidates (not me, but others) because of this policy. But it's their airline to run as they see fit.

They made an economic decision and will have to bear the consequences of that choice, just as I make a choice to quit flying because I saw virtually no options out there which presented an acceptable return on my investment for the time and QOL sacrifices which I would have to make. There are a few places I would consider (I can count them on one hand), but by and large the whole flying game is just not worthwhile right now.

I guess that's part of why I'm somewhat saddened by Hawaiian's policy - it's one of those few places I would be willing to go. But it is what it is.

At the interview they said if you don't get a thanks but no thanks letter in two weeks you are in the pool. Has anyone gotten one of these letters? As for paying your way to Hawaii when you are out of work it would be a tough decision. It is still a buyers market and they are interviewing the masses for a few positions. If you don't go you have no shot!

I agree it's totally lame not to give a standby pass to an interviewee. Free flight to Hawaii?
Please. If your idea of a vacation is spending 2 days getting grilled at the HAL corporate offices, you're an odd character. And the suggestion to jumpseat is so typical. I'm gonna go on a limb and suggest that if the guy wants a standby pass, then he probably can't jumpseat.

Here's my takeaway: regionals aren't as bad as everyone says (to work for), and majors aren't as good.

Ok look, I hear alot of griping and whining......yeah it sucks but the problems is there are people out there that will drop the money or have the opportunity to J/S just to be able to get on with a major. So why wouldn’t management take advantage of not having to spend money?!?! I’ve heard “well why not a stby ticket”? Well if they gave the stby ticket to someone that lives in a city on the west coast that Hawaiian flies out of (and Vegas is the as far east as they go, with the exception to JFK now), you know someone would complain that they live on the east coast or mid-west and Hawaiian should ZED fare them out to the west coast. If they did that then every Tom, Dick and Harry would want to interview and then the money spent would increase and Hawaiian would get even more selective with who would get to interview. Then people would complain about that!! I know these forums; it’s an endless cycle of complaining. My advice to the pilot group…….DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! We complain but we don’t have any actions….that is a whole different topic.
PurpleCRJ......I interviewed and after I had time to go hang out on the beach on North Shore to surf (North Shore is an easy 45 min drive with no traffic)!! So trust me, it’s a free two/three day vacation to Hawaii for people that get to interview.
Then the comment the regionals aren’t bad........well I agree but try supporting a family on regional FO pay!!!! I’m going for the legacy carrier so I can afford to support my family. I just spent $100 on school supplies because the schools can’t afford them anymore!! The world we live in sucks economy wise.

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Might check the longitude of KPHX. Otherwise, why all the ranting and the ranting about complaining?

Sorry I should have included PHX, but my ranting still stands!!

Every Tom, Dick, and Harry DOES want an interview. lol. No, whatever, maybe your right. It is nice for employees to keep the standby list under control. I'm always trying to catch United, and there's 40+ standby's! And the added fuel burn might catch up to a smaller airline like HAL.

Good god you got that right!! United's standby list is crazy. It seems like no matter where I am trying to get to there are 50 others ahead of me going to the same place.

Anyway, this thread is a bit off topic......anyone heard back for phase three this time around?

what are the odds of getting a second chance to interview after turning down the first one?

You could try to apply again when the window opens again. Probably next year.

Yeah, once you turn it down your out. You have to wait until the next application window. I know a guy in your position and they told him next year. Good luck

Did more phase threes go out this past week?

Heard of a Phase III interview last Monday...

Interviewed week of Aug 6. No word back yet.....

Where are you getting this 1 in 20 number? This past week at the interview the HR people were throwing out numbers that made the odds sound better than that.

Nonsense. What hat are you pulling this "1 in 20 chance" from?

There was a small Phase 3 on Monday the 13th.

The "1 in 20" came from an internal memo that the pilots at HA got last month in reference to all the applicants that received recommendations from employees.

Great. Anyone on the inside care to give me a rec and raise my odds from virtually zero to 1:20? :D

This business about people scamming Hawaiian for an interview just for a mini vacation as the reason they're not paying for travel is a bit of a stretch. It's challenging enough to get them to call you, so they're obviously not calling every Tom, Dick and Harry.

It is indeed their prerogative to not provide travel to and from, but I doubt that this why.

Okay first off, I love how people in this forum always take just one part of a post and focus just on that. Of course that’s not the only reason!! If you read my post and a few of the others you would see a few reasons that could be contributing to Hawaiian not flying interviewees out. There are possibly numerous other reasons as well.

Seriously think about it though, how many more applications would Hawaiian get if they offered people stby tickets and a hotel to stay in for two days?!?! I know a few people off hand that would apply even though they would have no intention of accepting the job if they were offered one.

The cost of living is very high and commuting is practically non-existent for the first few years. So you can see why Hawaiian is being very selective and only want to choose from a group that are really dedicated on flying for them and worth spending the thousands of dollars for training costs.

Yes but only 200 were called for interviews. Once you actually get in the door the odds seem to improve!

Why do people keep saying this when it is not true? It is totally possible to commute for your entire career if you want. In fact, it would probably make more sense to commute the first couple of years because of the low starting pay, the high cost of living and the high cost of moving to the Islands from the mainland. With PBS you can ask for block days off or give up a few days off to have a line built for you.

I never thought about the travel or hotel when I applied to Hawaiian; I have a good friend there and knew he was very happy and that was enough for me.:eek: