Hey Palm, I agree with commuting being totally possible. Im just going off the few FO's and Capt's I know that said its really hard given the type of schedule you have as a starting FO and as a new Capt.

I honestly didnt think of those things either when I applied too. As I said above I'm good friends with folks there and have nothing but great things to say about the airline and have interacted with crews and all love the company. So why not join a family that is happy with who they work for??

They've been interviewing approximately 40 a week since mid June..... I interviewed the second week they held interviews and they probably had interviewed close to 80 by the end of my week...If I had to guess they have interviewed north of 300 for Phase I and II.. With alot more interviewing to go

Hawaiian is sort of the Fedex of passenger jobs these days... seems like they've got the pick of whom they want and they seem to (fairly or not) prefer locals.. I for one think it's a mistake to focus on locals since you should be hiring the absolute best you can get, quality, personality and everything else... a pilot knows and understands what's involved in commuting and relocation and many have already weighted and planned what they'd do if they're throwing in their app.... but that's just me, I'm not Hawaiian and I don't pretend to know what's best for them better than they do... just my .02$

To all who apply: we use pref bidding; junior pilots will NOT find their schedule easly commutable! If you're assigned the 717 it would be nearly impossible. If you're on a widebody, it will be difficult at best. Please don't listen to people who don't know what they're talking about. You won't be happy with your lifestyle when you find commuting is not really plausable. Don't make career decisions based on misinformation!

You may be able to live in a crash pad for a few years, and IF the company grows and your seniority position improves, ultimately you might have other alternatives. But you would be making a mistake to think that you'll be happy commuting with a junior schedule in your first few years.

Bottom line: if Hawaiian represents the right opportunity for you, plan to move to Hawaii...enjoy the islands and their special culture! Grow personally and professionally....the rest will follow!

So, what is the problem with taking one part of a post? This is, after all, a forum.

Anyway, I don't buy it for a second. So what about how selective they can be? So what about the cost of living? Neither even implies that a reason that they don't provide transport and accommodations is because of this worldwide interview/vacation scammer conspiracy:rolleyes:.

This isnt even worth my time getting into, plus it sends the thread off topic again!

So now to try to get the thread back on topic......I'm still in the pre phase 3 holding patter, how is everyone else doing?

Have there been any Phase l/ll interviews lately?

I agree. Sorry to continue the tangent. As for the commuting questions, lemme tell you what the most junior A330 FO's got for september:

looks like one bid max cred. and took fewer days off (10), got 6 LAS 3 day's worth 11:45 each and a Haneda 3 day worth 15:40 = 86:10

another bid min cred and got 13 days off, 4 LAS 3 days (one goes into Oct.), 2 LAX 2-days worth like 11 hrs, and a SAN 3 day for 12 = 75 hrs.

the LAX show time was 0700, LAS 1400 (release 0515) or 2130, Haneda 1805, SAN 1335. all besides that LAS @ 0515 got released around 12 or 1300 in HNL. So, you could probably catch mid day flights back to mainland after your trips, but not likely to commute in the same day (which I wouldn't want to do anyway). sorry if that was confusing.

thanks for that info PurpleCRJ... since you seem to know what you're talking about.. can you also tell us how easy it is to get the days off as a block when you're junior? So maybe you can take all 12-1x days off and then fly out and backs from HNL or something? thanks

If the most junior FO's received a line, who is pulling reserve duty?

I got the email for Phase 3 today. They want me to be there on the morning of the 28th, yes in 2 days.

Wow, you are lucky. They gave you more notice than they have given other candidates.

When did you go through phase I&II?

August 8-9

Thanks and Good luck.

Reserve is not always junior at Hawaiian the way it is at other carriers.

I looked at the PBS award, and I didn't see any reserve! Idk if it's normally in a different place or they're short, but I do know that you can bid 18 on, 12 off if you're on wide-body reserve (and get your 24 in 7 on the road). As for getting a string of days with a line, that is a matter of - PBS/seniority/current needs - magic. Ya know? Depends what people above you want, if there's reserve and how many, etc. They can put a destination that has been on the 767 on the Airbus next month and totally change the dynamic.

pretty sure the lack of reserve is cause they're short - and people are coming out of training, and maybe there was one or two senior reserves that I didn't see while scanning the award . . .

. . . but people definitely bid for stretches of days off and get it. Best way to get that off the bat though is to bid reserve I think. Hiring so many right now that it is changing drastically . . . all three types equally likely for new-hires.

PurpleCRJ,

What's your status with Hawaiian?

Wonder how many new hires will jump ship to Delta Airlines now that there hiring window has opened...

unless you have an absolute pressing need to live in one of the DAL hub cities, I can't see any reason for anyone to leave the fastest growing airline with decent pay, great benefits and no where to go but up.... but that's just me.

Oops! I meant to say pilot applicants who interviewed or in the deep end of the pool.

When did the window open?

It's always open guys.

Don't tease me like that.

got the call for Phase l/ll next week, Sept 11

anyone else get a call?

Delta window has always been open. They're not hiring, just accepting apps.

Phase I/II ?? what is that? in the past the interview has always been a two day process all done at once .... if you pass the first day.

Disregard... somehow this got onto a Delta topic. are you talking about Hawaiian?

Back door it in to Delta. Isn't that the rumor, Delta-->buying--> Hawaiian.

Just curious, what sort of times do people have that are getting interviews?

Got invited next week. 6000ish 1000ish TPIC, Good luck all.

Got invited next week. 6000ish 1000ish TPIC, Good luck all.

Congrats!!!!

(But did ya have to post it twice? Whaddya tryin to rub it in? ;))

Good luck. My buddy's been there 12 years now, loves it.

Got the invite letter also,

Cannot attend.

Anyone know if they flex on the future dates?

I'll fill in for ya! ;)

I got the invite for Phase 3 on a Saturday evening about 2 weeks ago to be there on the following Tuesday morning.

I told them I just couldn't swing it and they seemed fine with it. She said they completely understood and would reschedule me when the next Phase 3 came around.

We will see if they do or not.

Don't sweat it. I had to reschedule both my Phase I/II and Phase III interviews due to working out of the country. They didn't have a problem and got me into the next group both times without any trouble.

I was offered phase I and II also on Aug 8th 9th and could not attend. I was offered the 11th and 13th this month also.

but I had to turn down both, I hope I can get in on the next one if its in Oct.

8500 total
1600 jet
4500 turbo prop
1500 TP PIC

Hawaiian non official update....

So far just about halfway through the 95 or so needed for this opening....

Rumor from 2 friends already flying the line is maybe another vacancy bid coming out in a few weeks that may include an additional 30 or so???

Seems to be slots for all 3 a/c.. From the looks of it lots of movement between a/c.

Kingair
did you get hired? or are you still waiting for Phase lll?