With non-locals, mostly

I can understand some hesitation, but how many from the mainland have moved out to the islands or made the job work? Unfortunate for those of us on the outside looking in who want to make the move and make Hawaiian our long term stop.

the reality is Hawaiian is supposed to be 1/2 way thru their expansion, and if we're to accept this, they'll need 200-300 more pilots in the next 2-3 years... this WILL require them to accept commuters in much higher numbers... there simply aren't that many qualified pilots on the islands.. A company of this caliber should higher the most qualified and best pilots they can, and being more commuter friendly will be a part of that. I would not be surprised if a new west coast base was next (LAX or SFO).

Picky isn't the word I'd chose to describe it.... quirky.. my class ran the gamut from FAR 135 and no jet experience to several type ratings, heavy international experience and former LCC/UAL/KAL/EK experience...

I like "quirky" better. You're 100% correct.

I'll offer an alternative view from my esteemed colleague..

I wouldn't count on a new West Coast domicle. It's not in the cards, on the horizon, or being discussed as a possibility in management circles, and you wouldn't want to accept employment based on thinking that it's likely to happen. Of course we all know something could change tomorrow and then the picture evolves. But given the existing route structure and even considering the new flight and duty time regs, they don't anticipate a new West Coast domicile.

As far as being more commuter friendly, the airline has no policy against commuters. You can commute if you choose to, but as has been explained in the hiring thread, commuting is not feasible for those assigned to the interisland flying, and is usually difficult and can become frustrating for junior worldwide pilots given their limited influence in bidding a schedule conducive to commuting. At five and a half hours or more from the west coast gateway cities, commuting from the mainland is generally more time consuming than a commute within the mainland. And it's a commute that gets harder as time goes by....full flights, other more senior commuters, etc..

Like any other company, Hawaiian wants a happy and contented workforce and knows that commuting can bring additional burdens and hardships that lead to frustration and other problems. None the less, you're fee to commute if you can make it work. But the job is where it is, and you will get more out of it....and a better quality of life, if you can make the transition to island living~

which is why I'm willing to bet a west coast base is an eventuality. There was a time (if you look at our contract, the language is still in there) that we had two other west coast bases.... at that time, we were a much smaller airline with far less ambition. There is no logic to this being a 1000 pilot 1 base airline... not if we're going to hire the quality of pilot we need. The MEC plays a role in this too...

But I agree, if you get hired, don't plan on an easy commute initially... I live in a HAL served west coast city so it's not bad at all... but if I had to make it in from somewhere else, it would be miserable.

Having been stationed in Hawaii and lived in Kailua, I would do anything to get that call so I could move back there, but unfortunately my phone sits silent.

So what's with all these 'under consideration' emails that went out yesterday...seems they went out to a ton of people, which does not jive (assuming they are good news) with the small number of people they invite back for phase 3. Opinions?

Sending a ton of "under consideration" emails out doesn't jive with good news unless they're hiring tons of people. Maybe they are. Is there another post regarding current emails? I never read anything about those emails.

I heard that Hawaiian is conducting interviews in San Francisco next week. Any truth to that?

Those might be non pilot positions.

Ok I just got a text from someone in my company that I don't know, nor do I know how they got my number. I'm not sure if this person is a pilot but they said they have an interview with HA on the 28th in SFO and wanted advice.

Those are Flight Attendant interviews.

For anyone that has declined a Phase I interview because they were unable to attend...how long did it take to receive a second interview request? Thanks in advance...

so the original email snafu was as a result of their online-application software which is something they're wrestling with with all of the upgrades their doing now (there is a massive corporate HQ remodeling as well going on)... The email was originally intended to go out to ONE pilot who was on his final notice to interview after turning it down 3 times. The system accidentally sent that email to all who were in the data base.

Again, last official word is hiring 30-40 more from this window and then new window to open May or June for rest of the 2013 hiring.

Bare with it folks, it's a good company with a bright future.. a career position.

in my case, I had to decline an interview, and with in two weeks was able to attend... I contacted them and they said they'd slot me in ASAP... then a cancelation occurred and I was asked if I could make it in 3 days! I was of course excited and said yes...

They DID say that even if I couldn't make it, that they would understand and allow me to que for an interview at a later date.. they DO understand that we can't just drop everything and come, but at the same time I don't recommend you turn down more than 1 interview..

in my case, I had to decline an interview, and with in two weeks was able to attend... I contacted them and they said they'd slot me in ASAP... then a cancelation occurred and I was asked if I could make it in 3 days! I was of course excited and said yes...

They DID say that even if I couldn't make it, that they would understand and allow me to que for an interview at a later date.. they DO understand that we can't just drop everything and come, but at the same time I don't recommend you turn down more than 1 interview..[/QUOTE].

Thank you for the reply! I was able to maneuver days around and I look forward to interviewing:D

so does that mean there are Phase l/ll interviews going on next week?

I believe that the 27th is the last date for this year for a limited small group, but don't quote me.

Got emailed for phase three at the end of this month. Does anyone know what the success rate is for phase three candidates? Does getting phase three mean that you are kind of in for the most part?

Thanks to anyone in the know.

When did you complete phase II? Did you receive a notice that you passed phase II and how long was that after you successfully completed phase II? TIA

Phase III is 99% there IF YOU ARE HONEST when you take your psych eval exams with the good Doctor.. The majority of people who bust out of Phase III try to answer the psych test as if they're interviewing and put on a good face.... BE HONEST. Of the 14 that were at my Phase III, I know of 2 that were not hired... One got a re-test the other not.

BE HONEST, and BE HUMAN, and you'll do fine.

Did second phase end of October. After a few email snafus, got the third phase invite a few days ago, so approx 3 weeks wait from phase 2.

And I must say, everyone I've dealt with at HAL recruitment has been nothing but extremely helpful and nice.

Cat2; Thank you very much for the info. Wanted to get an idea of where I stand and you provided that.

Good luck to all in the process.

So looks like there will be a Dec class since they are doing Phases llls.

I'm sure this happens all the time with no repercussion, but its not a fail safe. A few years back, a half dozen guys from the regional I used to work for called in sick for an interview at a major. The Chief Pilot at the regional saw the sick calls, knew the major was running interviews and called up the Chief Pilot's office at the major to inquire. All of them had their job offers rescinded.

Am I misreading your post or are you saying that after May 2013 they will not be hiring directly into the 330? So everyone will do 2 years on the 717 first?

A few questions for those able and willing to answer:

1) I missed the last hiring window opening, but I had applied during the previous window. Is it possible for me to still update my app or do I have to wait for the window to re-open again?

2) ALPC states HA has contractual pay bumps for 2013 and 2014, anyone know what percentage those pay raises are?

3) Is there a mandatory retirement list posted anywhere for HA like the ones posted on this site for many of the other majors?

Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

I'm sure it's been asked before, but what is the absolute latest on what does HAL pay and does not pay for in terms of accommodations?

I'm assuming no Hotel for any stage of the interview, is that correct?

What about hotel during training? If not, how long does one have to prepare for to pay out of pocket?

Are you getting your minimum $36x75hrs from day I of ground school? What about travel benefits on HAL, do they kick in from day one as well? how about CASS, how long till that is taken care of?

When do you know what fleet you get assigned to?

Thanks so much!

Hawaiian is my dream job! Been flying caravans inter island for nearly a year. Know the routes. Just need to get some more multi time for the 300. Looked at island air for the next step just don't know about their future. Has anyone heard more about Hawaiians regional subsidiary?

Good questions Schone. Hopefully a HAL pilot will chime in.

nothing at all is covered in terms of hotel accommodations.

again, nothing.. their assumption is this is a HNL based airline and you'll move here from day 1. They pretty much treat you as if you're living here from the get go, asking you to "Swing by the office and get your paper work" before your actual class start date....

This isn't to say everyone does move, but that's the way they see it. I got myself a apartment room for $900/mo near by. Check craigslist, etc... Hotel would get prohibitively expensive... more than $3000/mo..


yep, and ironically you're also getting per diem... for a portion of ground school... don't ask me to explain that but I know we all did, even those who reside on the island. It was about $2/hr in per diem plus the 75x36 pay.

day one or two at the lastest.... goes by social security number and lowest is most senior..... in our class, the oldest people were actually junior to the youngest.... different from every other airline/carrier I've worked at but I know other airlines also do this practice.

Any furloughed AA, Delta or UA guys at HAL that you know of?

in my class alone we had a furloughed UAL guy, and an America West (US Air) guy that I know of for sure.

Travel benefits start day 1, but there is a lag time to get into the system to list yourself... Also have to get your company ID's which takes a few days depending on how quickly you get your AOA badge and have all your paperwork completed. (there is a lot of running back and forth to HR to tie up loose ends etc)... If you need to get somewhere, Training can accomodate you with a phone call or two to travel department. But going off island alot, or heading to the mainland every time you get 2 days off may get noticed if you fall behind at all? I live on an outer island and pretty much stayed put in HNL except for a couple of times to take care of home stuff.

CASS is done fairly quickly also. I think by the end of week 1, or 2, CASS is set up. It probably depends on how large your class is. Fewer people in class will probably mean an easier time getting passwords, badges etc.

the list which is on our MEC site is dated from 1/2011 which is when we had approximately 450 of the current 605 pilots... on that list, there is about 10-12 retirements a year for the next 3-4 years and then a pick up to 15-20 thru the later part of the decade.. I asked the woman who runs our ALPA office if they can update the list to better show the picture of the current seniority list but she said she was told the company refused to continue to provide this data due to privacy reasons... so it's hard to tell exactly how it looks now.

My personal observation is that this is a relatively young airline compared to many... there are A LOT of 40ish year old captains with more than 10 years on the property and quite a few of the new hires from the past 3 years were int their 20's and early 30's..

That's just the reality from what I've seen.

Thanks for all the great posts recently, It answers alot of questions.

Has anybody else received a call/email asking about phase 3, or the email that no one else wants to talk about. :confused: I interviewed in late Oct, and haven't heard anything. From what I heard during my interview, that it a good sign not to hear anything. Just curious.

Thanks,

SEE YA!!

How long is ground school or the portion that one pays for their own accommodations?

Kingairfun had this to say to answer your question...

HAL does not pay for hotel until you go to sim. Plan on 5 days of Indoc. And then roughly 2 weeks of systems, with a day or two off every 4-5 days or so....I think in roughly 17 days I did 13 class days... So plan on a minimum 3 weeks of getting your own place...