a lot longer than that if he gets assigned to the 717.... you HAVE to have a Hawaii address if assigned to the 717.

Why would an address in Hawaii be required if assigned to the 717?

I did Phase II back in June and got the email a few months back stating my credentials were still up for further review. Just can't get a read on whether this is good or bad. Sort of just stopped wondering for now.....

it took me by surprise too, I honestly don't know why they differentiate between the fleets on that. When I asked, the HR dept told me it's because you'll do all your work in HI. In effect, you can commute on any of the equipment, albeit it's much harder on the 717 due to the nature of their schedules... The bottom line, the HR dept asked me for my HNL address which I already had in place since I planned to have a permanent apartment here anyway... the worse part however is you'll end up having Hawaii Income Tax withheld and if your current state doesn't allow for a deduction for it, you may end up paying income tax in both states...

there's nothing to wonder... you're under consideration until they tell you otherwise.

If by the time the next window opens up (rumored to be in May or June), you are not called, then you'll have to reapply... until then its basically a point system. IF you are above the minimum, but not high enough to rise above people who keep being selected out of Phase II, you'll just hover towards the bottom...

Some people score high enough and with in weeks of their first P 1&2 they're in class... others wait a year, or have to reapply.

do they use the whole SS number or the last 4 digits?

last 4....

0000>9999 in seniority.

Does HAL require seniority resignation from furloughed pilots?

Thanks for the info! Much appreciated!

Thanks a bunch to you as well for the info and I appreciate you sharing your personal observations.

I wonder why the company considers the information to be a breach of privacy? I would think they could just release the mandatory retirment numbers without listing names so nobody's privacy is violated that way. Anyhow, thanks for trying!

No, I'm sorry if that wasn't more clear....let me try it this way....

Normally, a new hire is seat locked for 24 months in the bid / assigned airplane. However, the contract allows anyone to bid out of a seat lock to a fleet new to the airline, but only for the first few years the new type is on the property. The A330 will no longer be considered a new fleet around May of 2013, so if you were hired prior to May of 13 and were in the 71 or 76, and IF there was a subsequent bid with an opening in the 330, (published prior to May of 13), you could bid out of your current seat lock to the 330 ONLY, but are then seat locked in the new airplane for 36 months. If you did not choose to bid to the 330 during that time you'd have to wait 24 months and for another open bid. For those hired after May, you'll be held in your bid / assigned seat for 24 months as there will no longer be a "new" fleet type.

So the bottom line is they will probably have openings for new hires in the 330 in 2013, but a better bet is they will put new hires into all three fleets. We'll probably know more when the next bid comes out, which is generally expected in May or June next year.

One other thought....there's been some discussion on this thread about time to upgrade and growth...and while that's certainly a consideration in your career, I'd suggest that no ones crystal ball is very accurate more than about 12 to 18 months out. I've never seen any 5 year plan on paper work out that way in real life five years down the road...there are just too many variables that none of us has control over. We all know how cyclical this industry is; for every upswing....

Come to Hawaiian because you like the company, the people, the routes, the type of flying...and because you're willing to work together towards the overall success of the company and your future......beyond that....try not to make plans or develop expectations...just enjoy! The job is challenging, and there's a lot to learn....

I hope this helps....

"Thank you for taking the time to participate in our initial screening process for the position of First Officer at Hawaiian Airlines, (12-0604). We received many applications for this position.

In the course of our screening process your qualifications were thoroughly reviewed. At this time your application will remain under further consideration and we may contact you in the future for additional screening.

We sincerely appreciate your continued interest in Hawaiian Airlines.

Best Regards,
Human Resources"

Received this e-mail a couple of days after the mix up...anyone else get one? Just wondering if this is a good sign or just a whoops e-mail again. Haven't heard anything for P3 yet. Interviewed late October.

Any current HAL guys care to share most junior Seattle FO and base size?

That would be a good sign. In my experience (not a HAL pilot...yet) that email is sent shortly before the invite email. Don't get your hopes up too soon, but my magic 8 ball says its good.

A HAL pilot covered this a few pages back.

Seattle is senior, expect at least a couple of years until you can bid in, although a few got in at just over a year.

Base is very small, and questionable if it will be around since its a 767 base and the 767 is going away.

Thanks for the info and not roasting me for it. I saw that info, I was more interested in specific hire date. I thought of the 767 issue in Seattle as well. Curious if the airbus fleets will migrate there. The last financial I read indicated a future for Europe. Interesting to see what happens in the coming years.

Three hired around Oct-Nov 2011 are at the bottom.. it's about 75 numbers senior to the most junior (about 604).... The thing is, who knows if anyone will move off that list anytime soon... it was luck and timing that got them that base inside 1 year... the base is likely to shrink before it expands. They were at the right place at the right time.

I keep hoping for a westcoat base myself, but resigned to commuting for sometime if not. Commute is doable if you live in SEA, PDX, LAX or SFO area.

CATIII you've been invaluable with your info. Thanks!

Can you tell us what the average credit value of a trip is on the 767 and A330?

Thanks again!

CatIII,
Thanks for the info. I second the above post. Also, PM sent.

I'd say average is 14 hours but can be as much as 20 or as little as 10... higher (more efficient) trips tend to go senior..

On a three day trip where you do nothing on the middle day is there a minimum daily guarantee that you are paid?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm trying to figure out some of the inner workings of HAL and how it compares to where I'm at now.

People haven't been able to figure this one out. Some people get it before phase 3 and some don't get the email and go straight to phase 3. Honestly, I don't think it means much until you get an actual phase 3 invite or rejection email.

Yes, there is both a trip rig and a duty rig. Nothing industry leading but it's there.

This may be a random chunk of info, but it might be worthwhile to someone: A friend of mine got hired at Hawaiian recently. They initially were told to expect a A330 or 767 class but ended up getting the 717 class. After completing IOE on the 717, they were told that they were going back to school for one of the wide bodies. Can't remember which now... Crazy amount of training in a short period of time.

I interviewed toward the end of Oct. Phase I &II.

Received this today. I'll take it as a rejection letter, I guess. Weird.



Thank you for your job application for the First Officer position received on 5/30/2012. We regret to inform you that you have not been selected for an interview at this time. Please continue to monitor our recruitment website for other jobs you may be interested in.

Thank you for your interest in Hawaiian Airlines.

Human Resource Department

***This is a system generated notification mail.
***Please do not reply to this notification mail.

Hawaiian Airlines Hiring
 

Yes me too. Hawaiian continues to be very confusing with their emails. I also interviewed for I and II and received the same email.

:( Mark me down for the same email too. I interviewed at the end of Oct.

I interviewed Phase I & II in late October. I received the "your application is still under consideration" email the second week of November. A few of my interview mates received it as well, one of whom has also received an invite to Phase III. As far as I know he's the only one so far.

is he doing phase lll this week?

They are doing phase 1 and 2 interviews tomorrow, not sure what else is going on.

There is a phase three for Tue Nov 27.

I've never heard of them doing groups of phase I/II and III all on the same day...Based on what some of you are saying that's the case today? Hmmm.

Yes I believe so, don't know how many are doing Phase III this week. I'm not aware of any others from my interview class being invited to Phase III as of yet. I know for myself and many others, there isn't anywhere we'd rather be than Hawaiian. Our class was one solid bunch of folks and I hope for the best for us all, as well as everyone following this thread.

It will be interesting to hear what they are told this week about future class dates. For the last few weeks everyone seemed to think no classes til Jan, but now they are doing Phase llls this week.
Past pattern would say there will be a Dec class.

HAL Interview Info - From a Guy I know that went back in August

PHASE I


When you get there you give your stuff to the receptionist so she can make copies and she gives you an event report and mock summary of a problem to fill out while you wait. My problem was a PAX moved to first class cabin, and then told the FA off when she asks him to leave.

Know Zulu Time Conversions. They have the mock report in the panel interview. I was asked no questions from the mock report.



Half hour later you go into the Board interview and Meet with 2 Captains (1 retired and 1 line), a Flight Attendant, and a Dispatcher rep.



Only TMAT questions, and NO TECHNICAL QUES. Only to get to know you. Lasted about 20 minutes. They look at your resume and ask questions based on your experience.

Tell us about your flying career? How did you get your start in flying?

Will you move to Hawaii if hired?

Have you applied to HA in the past? Why not?

Will you apply to other Hawaiian carriers if not hired by us?

What's your greatest accomplishment?

Have u ever gone over and beyond the call of duty?

What set's you apart from the other 2,000 applicants? Why should we hire you?

Ever had a flight where you would have done something different?

Do you visit HI often?

What is the most difficult crew you have had to work with?

Any chance of upgrading at your current company (in my case recall)?

What do you know about Hawaiian?

Who else have you applied to? If you are offered a job by HAL and another company, which would you take? Why?


Sim ride is in a Elite Computer based trainer (MD 80) with yoke and single throttle. You get briefed on the appch plate. FO does all config changes and bugs HDG, SPD and ALT.

Takeoff LAS 25L, Runway heading to 8,000 Left turn to 180. Then back to back 180 degree steep turns. Cleared Direct Bolder City and hold as published (direct entry). Radar vectors ILS 25L into LAS.



Chief pilot meet and greet – Met with ACP (Keith), 767 Fleet Manager & some guy named Bob. They have everyone introduce themselves, tell where you flew in from and what your currently doing. They claim this part of the interview is not scored. They seem to get boners over questions. So think of something to ask these guys



PHASE TWO

Physiological Test

50 Question Wonderlic Test you have 12 min. Google wonderlic test sample questions and you will have an idea of what’s on the test.

27 Question Math Test, You have 35 min. This test is BS. It’s all train X travels from point A to point F, the clock hand moves from position E to position Z, if the train slows its speed 1/3 what position will the clocks hand be on?

190 Question Guilford-Zimmerman Personality Test, not timed. Answer choices are Strongly Agree, Agree, Neutral, Disagree, and Strongly Disagree.


Group Interview – HR Lady (JP) and a Retired 767 CA

You’re brought into a room with chairs set in a semi circle, you’re told to alphabetize according to last name. They have you introduce the person sitting next to you to the group (you have 5 min to get to know each other). Then they pass a hat around the room with questions in it. Everyone picks a question then reads it aloud and gives there answer to the group.

Harry Potter Hat Questions:

What does customer service mean to you?

What is the most difficult change you have had to deal with in your life? And how did you deal with it?

What constitutes team work?

What is the biggest risk you have ever taken?

What makes a good CA? What makes a good FO?

Go over HAL mission Statement, what stands out to you, HALs Core Values. They are big on the Spirit of Aloha. The pilots on the panel interview and Sim were cool, everyone else has had to much Hawaiian sunshine blown up there asses.

You will probable leave the interview not wanting to work at this place. If you want to get hired, act the part. Tell them what they want to hear. HR controls hiring - I feel bad for the pilots that have to deal with some of the new hires. Several guys were on the 2nd and 3rd interview.

There will be a class dec 27... Those in it I think had already done phase 3 back in oct... Phase 3 happening now will most likely be for a jan class... Best of luck!

cloud,
Thanks for the detailed report...very helpful. What do you mean by this?

Read the 1st line - a guy that I use to work with sent this. I could only guess.

I heard there could be up to 35-40 more new hires for this application window.(The June window).. Then hopefully they'll open another app. window late Spring for the rumored 80 or so needed for 2013/2014


Keep 'em coming

Not sure if it's the same person that you're referring to or not, but the one "new hire" that I've heard of (through the grapevine) that resigned in Oct was already typed on & had time in the B767 when hired @ HA. Apparently FedEx called and the simple math of overall career progression/expectation/compensation made the decision a numbers game.

A quick glance @ airlinepilotcentral.com's at rates may be an eye opener. I don't have hard numbers, but I could only guess how many 30-ish 1st year FOs on 1st year pay @ HA would pass on chance @ FedEx.