Originally Posted by snackysmores

Exactly, which is why I voted no. I won't be a part of this game. We've got **** to lose but Alaska has WAY more to lose. If we go down we will take those motherfu**ers and their precious stock price with us.


The puzzle palace cleaned house the other day, multiple employees with 25+ years of loyalty to the air group were shown the door Alaska style.

Originally Posted by phalanxo

Yeah, the concessions aren't huge and they're probably livable. But everybody knows it's total horse---t when the company is making so much $$. They're laughing all the way to the bank. It's not the typical "Well, take concessions now or take them in BK court" scenario. It sets a really bad precedent. When the company has gains, the pilots are supposed to share in those gains, as we are certainly asked to take cuts when things are bad. If you don't get any gains in this contract, then when, ever? In 8 years... in 8 years when it becomes amendable how do you honestly go ask for anything with a straight face? The company was super profitable before, we took cuts. But now it's been 8 more years and we'd like.. what? "We're gonna shrink you again and take all your jets to (random whipsaw place) if you don't take more cuts." I don't work there, so of coure there's nothing at stake for me except for my friend's well being, that's the only dog I have in the fight. And yeah it seems like they're selling it in the road shows as "well it's not that bad, we can live with it". But on some level it's absolute madness. The name of the game in 2016 is regionals having trouble staffing and flying will go to any carrier that can manage to staff it. Being asked for any kind of concessions with no give from the company is so patently absurd and offensive that only management could have thought of it. But it's your lives and you're being asked to play high stakes poker and figure out if they're bluffing or not... It just makes me sick.

Originally Posted by word302

If everyone believes the company will come begging to renegotiate in 3 years, why not make it a 3 year deal? Just remember, management is playing chess while us pilots are playing sorry.

Originally Posted by Klsytakesit

And then done the honest thing and commenced negotiations in ernest so as to have a contract in place by the current ammenable date....

Originally Posted by N19906

So, I talked to a CA yesterday that went to a roadshow. He had time to kill, so he sat there for a few hours and listened to everybody else's questions, as well as having some of his own.
He said he couldn't identify a single standout positive thing in the TA. There were two things that might make life a bit better, (some of the reserve rules being one), but that was it.
People tore it to pieces.
There are many holes in the language big enough to drive trucks through. A lot of the language isn't finalized, the union reps said things like "this is how we expect it to read...".
When they first sat down and mentioned the jet pay scale, (that we have in the current contract), the reps said the company stood up and walked away. They said they would never agree, a complete non-starter.
When questionable parts were pointed out, all the reps could do was shrug and concede. "But it was the best we could do...", "we think it'll turn out this way..."
Failure.
What really torques me off on the union side is the fact that if you change your mind, you can't change your vote. After the earnings call tomorrow on the AirGroup's 2015 results, I think there'll be some buyer's remorse from early "yes" voters.
Historically, this has been a good place to work, as far as regionals go. The future? We'll see, but I've been in such a black mood recently...