I understand your point, I just don't trust some of these guys with my identity during this contentious time. I honestly feel that I work for The Firm. If you haven't seen it, seek it out. It's a pretty good movie on it's own merits.

Although I feel I have been truthful about how our pay, benefits and working conditions compare to our peers, the company sure wouldn't like those opinions being expressed, and we still have several guys publicly pushing back against negativity. And that's just the ones who post, no idea how many lurkers would gladly give info to The Firm if given the chance.

Payne just threatened to "expose" my private messages yesterday because I was being a "jerk" to him, even though I asked him not to. Those messages essentially say that when we get a respectable CBA I won't continue to discourage guys from choosing JB (makes perfect sense to me), this company has incredible untapped potential (they appear to flat-out refuse to exploit ANY of their potential however) and that I think now that this pilot group is FINALLY fired up, their is a CHANCE we get a CBA in 2018. But that could change fast if this group gets re-lulled into a state of "have patience, it's almost done".

So no, I don't trust a handful of guys here. Besides, we have all had exchanges openly here. If we don't agree with a keyboard, we won't be in agreement over the phone.

With that said, even with a great CBA this place won't be the Dog's Balls for all the other reasons we've talked about such as no retirements, slow growth, no wide body aircraft. But at least we won't also be the lowest paid of our true peers.

In the end, I just want a great CBA and "patience" will NOT get us there, and I think people are finally understanding that, even if they don't want to admit it.

Respectfully.

 

Just got the call moving into Phase 2

 

Was it a phone call or email?

 

I also just got the phase 2 call

 

My last point on this
“ Essentially say”. I like that again you should be in politics.
I guess it could be viewed as a threat but it’s really hard to sit on the truth when you get attacked for giving an answer and than you expect me to not say anything. We have had many civil PM discussions and that is where they will stay because I said they would. My issue with you is your personality changes from the PM world to what the public sees along with some of your views. (so which is true)Living in the DC area you think I would be use to it by now. But I grew up in NJ and we just go with an open FU and that’s that.
I just wish you could understand that your tone and the way you present your argument turns(some not all) people off. You will note I have not countered many of your points because there is no counter but at some point you must make room for disagreements without trotting out the “I’m just being negative stuff” or ranting against the other person.
This site has unfortunately become a mirror of today’s politics with everyone sure their side is right and there is no room for dissent or compromise. That just leads to people no longer listening and wrapping themselves up in their views with no room for anything else.
I’m pretty sure we all wear the same uniform and I’m pretty sure we all want a contract and for JetBlue to be successful. We just disagree on some of the surrounding issues and that is OK. It’s not a zero sum game.

But as always that’s my opinion and worth about nothing.

 

I disagree about us disagreeing.
The funny thing is my favorite FOs have been guys who don’t agree with me on anything yet have the maturity like you to have a back and forth debate. I always say we can discuss anything in the cockpit as long as we aren’t keeping score. It’s good to have someone challenge you on why you think as you do.
That’s why I hate our PC world where topics are off limits. How else will you learn.

And not back to the phase 2 swimmers

 

Phone call from a NYC number.

 

Congrats on phase 2 guys. You will soon dread the 718 area code when you’re on reserve.

 

Phase 2 call today!

 

Agreed. We don't all have to believe exactly the same thing. We all DO want a solid CBA very soon. On that, I'm fairly certain we all agree. But some (2 guys) on here insist on shaming anyone who doesn't hold their level of anger.