todd1200

Right, but it allows the NEA to continue “notwithstanding Sections 1.F.7 and 1.F.8” of our CBA.

BeatNavy

Just vote no. There is really no other logical vote.

ReachHeavy

Or just vote Yes, pocket 3% and change now and put this behind us and focus on the new contract.

HogEars

Once gone, you never get it back. Ask Alaska Pilots if Alaska Pilots wish they had Southwest scope. Ask Legacy CAL Pilots their thoughts on post merger scope. Ask an honest UAL pilot if they regret falling for giving up 50 seat RJ scope for a carrot of 777 flying. Ask former ACA Pilots their thoughts on UAL scope. Ask USAir Pilots about Mid Atlantic.

Just

And allow the degradation of scope and our strength as a pilot group weaken even more. No thanks. Let’s take a stand and show great strength heading into section 6.

BeatNavy

Vote yea to put it behind us? Voting yes doesn’t put anything behind us. The scope issue is one that will affect us for a decade plus. “We never thought they’d do that.” - B6ALPA

todd1200

Voting Yes could put plans for significant growth behind us. According to government attorneys,

“JetBlue will share revenues that American earns on transatlantic service to and from Boston and New York City. Thus, any effort by JetBlue to undercut American on price would reduce the revenues JetBlue earns under the revenue-sharing arrangement. As a consequence, JetBlue will have less incentive to compete aggressively with American in those markets, whether by lowering fares or improving service. JetBlue will also have less incentive to enter new transatlantic markets where it would compete with American.” (emphasis added)

Boomer

On the contrary, a YES vote shows the company that they can violate our scope at will, drag out the 60-day grievance process for over a year, and then buy us off (or at least 51% of us) for pennies on the dollar.

A YES vote doesn’t lock in our scope for the duration of the NEA, it just invites further erosion.

That’s just where our opinions differ; I appreciate the time you’ve put into considering the deal and the time you’ve taken to state your opinion. It’s one of the best arguments for a YES vote I’ve heard yet.

BeatNavy

I think the notion that this actually gives us control over the NEA and a seat at the table is a farce. Current jetblue leadership doesn’t give a rip what is written regarding the agreement. Clearly…since we are fighting a blatant disregard for a black and white prohibition like 1F8. It doesnt get more clear cut than this. If anyone thinks we can terminate this in 8 years, I got this awesome ocean view house in Montana to sell you. We could say we want it gone, they will do it anyway, we will grieve it, we will get LOA69 that gives a 2% raise (less than inflation) with some other stupid crap thrown in, and we will let the violation continue in perpetuity. I don’t think this LOA and it’s teeth are quite as ironclad as people (including the union) think it’s is. Just think how ironclad they said scope was before, look at where we are at now, and ask yourself, “why is it any different this time?”

todd1200

Doesn’t seem anywhere close to ironclad. The pilot count and block hour requirements can be violated for $5M, barely a speed bump. And the renewal terms say “if each of these requirements are not met” instead of “if any of these requirements are not met” meaning they can meet one requirement, violate the others and still renew. Also, the international requirements aren’t broken down by region, like Caribbean, EU, etc.